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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of October 2585

Details

Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2586

Description[?]:

Proposing a Cabinet

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:22:04, June 02, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
Messagemade some changes to the last cabinet proposel (swapped FLP to trade and industry and URRA to PM)

Date22:26:42, June 02, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageSince URRA is not capable of handling the Head of Government and the Foreign Affairs Ministry and this is obvioulsy a political appointment rather than an appointment based on skills and knowledge, the Liberal Party opposes this cabinet proposal and urge all parties to vote no.

Date08:55:06, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageAll cabinet proposals are political appointments always have been. Cant remember you complaining about political appointments when I nominated you for cabinet positions during the war. And URRA are very capable of handling both Foreign affairs and PM, after all they have been here the longest

Date09:08:43, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageBecause they have been here the longest, that doesn't mean they are the most capable. I will oppose any Communist party in the cabinet.

Date09:48:41, June 03, 2008 CET
From Gil's Green party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageI'll never be part of a cabinet under the United Republics Radical Alliance.

Date14:54:25, June 03, 2008 CET
FromAnarchist Party of Lodamun
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageAgriculture and Finance? What a random cabinet. The APL must disagree with this.

Date15:07:25, June 03, 2008 CET
FromFree Leftist Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageWhile experience does not necessarily mean competence, FLP believes these appointments to be fair. Also, we would be willing to exchange Science and Trade with APL for Agriculture and Finance, if such a trade would be to their liking.

Date17:09:22, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageActually the reason I gave APL Fianance is because I figured a anarchist party wouldnt spend to much since they dont want a state. Same goes for agriculture

Date18:57:49, June 03, 2008 CET
FromAnarchist Party of Lodamun
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageI'd accept if the Liberal Party had a place there.

(and wouldn't an anarchist party spend even more? I mean, power to the people...)

OOC: well, for the record, I haven't been on a cabinet so I don't really know how things work there.

Date21:50:56, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageWhy would a anarchist spend more? Dont you want to close down the state? more government spending = a bigger state and normally anarchist dont want a state, so I dont see why you would spend more.

Anyways the LP may get a seat if they are willing to let go off a few ministries like Minsiter of FA and PM, they would maximum get 1 non vital ministry, but I doubt they would accept it. Also they have said themself

Date21:52:06, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
Message*Also they have said themself that they dont want to support a cabinet with URRA or PT in it. Now I know URRA will accept any post, dont know about PT, but the LP are not gonna get PM or FA

Date21:56:34, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageOOC: to the APL, a cabinet member dosent really do anything its all rp. The most active ministers have been Defence (because of a war we had some time ago) and Minister of FA in addition to the president. The rest have been mostly inactive (with a few exemptions)

Date21:56:47, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageAny cabinet proposal including URRA will receive a no vote from me. Since I have been doing a great job in all of the cabinet positions I am holding, I, obviously don't want to let go because of politics.

Date22:01:52, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageRemember that if it wasn't for me, this country would be in ruins and controlled by Likatonia. I have negotiated several free trade agreements and I have made our economy boom, making our currency the first in the world. Now, if you tell me that is doing nothing, I don't know what doing something is?

Date22:02:21, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageYou know you minsiter of FA has been a minister for 30 years, and the pension age is 70, so he is getting to old

Date22:04:06, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageI have never said you have you did nothing.
Also isent it politics that make you vote no to any cabinet with the URRA? You complain about politics in cabinet proposels, but you play the political game yourself too

Date22:09:17, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessagePolicies make me vote no. Communists is a no for me. The retirement age is not something you have to abide by, anyone can work until they want to. By the way, he was 30 years old when he took office, that will make him 32 years.

But it is not about age but about what he has accomplished and he has accomplished a lot. There is not need to replace someone when they are doing a good job just because you don't like them, that is politics, bad politics.

Date22:09:35, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
Message*62 years old.

Date22:25:39, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageI can discredit your statement pretty quickly. Do you remember that I included you in a cabinet proposal not too long ago, even though our policies are completely different? I gave you Defense and Justice because I thought you were doing a great job on them, no matter what our political beliefs were. Of course, you blocked it citing "policy differences." You play the game of bad politics.

Date22:30:46, June 03, 2008 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageI think we can pass a LLP/URRA/FLP/PT/PI cabinet.

Date22:32:25, June 03, 2008 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
Messageor give GGP HoG

Date22:34:43, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageAny cabinet where you are included is doomed to fail.

Date22:37:22, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageYeah I know, but as you said yourself, politics are a part of cabinet proposels, its why you vote no now, and its why I didnet want to be a part of the cabinet you proposed.

And URRA is not communist. For one they wanted a state religion, something very different from the "religion is the opium of the people" view of communism.

And a minsiter cant work past the professional retirment age, so he can at most work 8 more years. Also 32 years is a very young age to nominate someone for a minsitry as importent as that. A ministry of FA should have more experience then what you have at 32.

LP is not gonna get the Minister of FA, its time for a change after 30 years. Especially some of minister latest treaties are not foreign policies that the president want to pursue

Date22:46:04, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageAnyone can work past the professional retirement age, that's up to the person.

He was the right person to choose back then and he is the right person for the job now.

Change is not needed when the policies currently in place are working.

By the way, he was 30 years old not 32. He has been Minister for 32 years.

We play completely different politics. I gave you the example already.

URRA is communist but also a dictator type of government. I definately don't want someone like that in our cabinet.

Date23:47:11, June 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageNo the professional retirment age is the the forced retirment age. I wanted a system where people could work as long as they wanted too by setting the retirment age something like 100 years, but you guys wanted a lower retirment age. You cant work longer than your professional retirment age.

At 30 he seems to have been very young. What qualifications and experience did the minster have when he was 30 that justified nomination him to such a importent desicion?

And change are needed when you dont agree with alot of the policies (I agree with free trade agreement, but oppose everything else, especially the agreement with the nationalized oil company)

Date23:59:00, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageIt seems you still don't understand what the professional retirement age is. The retirement age was created to serve as a framework for workers to guide themselves by, mainly for retirement money. The retirement age works as follows: if you retire before the retirement age, you don't get all the benefits, if you retire after, you get all the benefits. You cannot force people to retire (eve though there are special circumstances such as not being capable of working anymore because they are too old but that doesn't happen often).

OOC: Real world example: Haven't you heard on the news or on the radio people who work until they are 90 something years old? Anyone in the U.S ( and most people do) work past the retirement age (I think it is like 67.5 years old now) because the retirement money is not enough. They do qualify to receive Medicare even if they are working.

As for the Mr. Reynolds, he took office 32 years ago, I don't have to answer that question NOW, 32 years later. If you didn't like it why didn't you raise that issue before? Right, you just want to get rid of the most experienced and capable Foreign Affairs Minister because you want to put a Communist in it (URRA). You cannot question Mr. Reynolds' ability, skills, knowledge, integrity, and experience in anyway.

Date23:59:50, June 03, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
MessageOh, and about the treaty, that's why it was put up for ratification, Parliament decides, not the Foreign Affairs Minister.

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Voting

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Total Seats: 61

no
    

Total Seats: 62

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Total Seats: 27


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