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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of October 2585
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2586
Description[?]:
Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President of the Commonwealth chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Free Leftist Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Anarchist Party of Lodamun
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Gil's Green party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Free Leftist Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the United Republics Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Anarchist Party of Lodamun
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Paradox Theory
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Gil's Green party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 22:22:04, June 02, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | made some changes to the last cabinet proposel (swapped FLP to trade and industry and URRA to PM) |
Date | 22:26:42, June 02, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Since URRA is not capable of handling the Head of Government and the Foreign Affairs Ministry and this is obvioulsy a political appointment rather than an appointment based on skills and knowledge, the Liberal Party opposes this cabinet proposal and urge all parties to vote no. |
Date | 08:55:06, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | All cabinet proposals are political appointments always have been. Cant remember you complaining about political appointments when I nominated you for cabinet positions during the war. And URRA are very capable of handling both Foreign affairs and PM, after all they have been here the longest |
Date | 09:08:43, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Because they have been here the longest, that doesn't mean they are the most capable. I will oppose any Communist party in the cabinet. |
Date | 09:48:41, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Gil's Green party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | I'll never be part of a cabinet under the United Republics Radical Alliance. |
Date | 14:54:25, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Anarchist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Agriculture and Finance? What a random cabinet. The APL must disagree with this. |
Date | 15:07:25, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Free Leftist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | While experience does not necessarily mean competence, FLP believes these appointments to be fair. Also, we would be willing to exchange Science and Trade with APL for Agriculture and Finance, if such a trade would be to their liking. |
Date | 17:09:22, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Actually the reason I gave APL Fianance is because I figured a anarchist party wouldnt spend to much since they dont want a state. Same goes for agriculture |
Date | 18:57:49, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Anarchist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | I'd accept if the Liberal Party had a place there. (and wouldn't an anarchist party spend even more? I mean, power to the people...) OOC: well, for the record, I haven't been on a cabinet so I don't really know how things work there. |
Date | 21:50:56, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Why would a anarchist spend more? Dont you want to close down the state? more government spending = a bigger state and normally anarchist dont want a state, so I dont see why you would spend more. Anyways the LP may get a seat if they are willing to let go off a few ministries like Minsiter of FA and PM, they would maximum get 1 non vital ministry, but I doubt they would accept it. Also they have said themself |
Date | 21:52:06, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | *Also they have said themself that they dont want to support a cabinet with URRA or PT in it. Now I know URRA will accept any post, dont know about PT, but the LP are not gonna get PM or FA |
Date | 21:56:34, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | OOC: to the APL, a cabinet member dosent really do anything its all rp. The most active ministers have been Defence (because of a war we had some time ago) and Minister of FA in addition to the president. The rest have been mostly inactive (with a few exemptions) |
Date | 21:56:47, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Any cabinet proposal including URRA will receive a no vote from me. Since I have been doing a great job in all of the cabinet positions I am holding, I, obviously don't want to let go because of politics. |
Date | 22:01:52, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Remember that if it wasn't for me, this country would be in ruins and controlled by Likatonia. I have negotiated several free trade agreements and I have made our economy boom, making our currency the first in the world. Now, if you tell me that is doing nothing, I don't know what doing something is? |
Date | 22:02:21, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | You know you minsiter of FA has been a minister for 30 years, and the pension age is 70, so he is getting to old |
Date | 22:04:06, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | I have never said you have you did nothing. Also isent it politics that make you vote no to any cabinet with the URRA? You complain about politics in cabinet proposels, but you play the political game yourself too |
Date | 22:09:17, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Policies make me vote no. Communists is a no for me. The retirement age is not something you have to abide by, anyone can work until they want to. By the way, he was 30 years old when he took office, that will make him 32 years. But it is not about age but about what he has accomplished and he has accomplished a lot. There is not need to replace someone when they are doing a good job just because you don't like them, that is politics, bad politics. |
Date | 22:09:35, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | *62 years old. |
Date | 22:25:39, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | I can discredit your statement pretty quickly. Do you remember that I included you in a cabinet proposal not too long ago, even though our policies are completely different? I gave you Defense and Justice because I thought you were doing a great job on them, no matter what our political beliefs were. Of course, you blocked it citing "policy differences." You play the game of bad politics. |
Date | 22:30:46, June 03, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | I think we can pass a LLP/URRA/FLP/PT/PI cabinet. |
Date | 22:32:25, June 03, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | or give GGP HoG |
Date | 22:34:43, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Any cabinet where you are included is doomed to fail. |
Date | 22:37:22, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Yeah I know, but as you said yourself, politics are a part of cabinet proposels, its why you vote no now, and its why I didnet want to be a part of the cabinet you proposed. And URRA is not communist. For one they wanted a state religion, something very different from the "religion is the opium of the people" view of communism. And a minsiter cant work past the professional retirment age, so he can at most work 8 more years. Also 32 years is a very young age to nominate someone for a minsitry as importent as that. A ministry of FA should have more experience then what you have at 32. LP is not gonna get the Minister of FA, its time for a change after 30 years. Especially some of minister latest treaties are not foreign policies that the president want to pursue |
Date | 22:46:04, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Anyone can work past the professional retirement age, that's up to the person. He was the right person to choose back then and he is the right person for the job now. Change is not needed when the policies currently in place are working. By the way, he was 30 years old not 32. He has been Minister for 32 years. We play completely different politics. I gave you the example already. URRA is communist but also a dictator type of government. I definately don't want someone like that in our cabinet. |
Date | 23:47:11, June 03, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | No the professional retirment age is the the forced retirment age. I wanted a system where people could work as long as they wanted too by setting the retirment age something like 100 years, but you guys wanted a lower retirment age. You cant work longer than your professional retirment age. At 30 he seems to have been very young. What qualifications and experience did the minster have when he was 30 that justified nomination him to such a importent desicion? And change are needed when you dont agree with alot of the policies (I agree with free trade agreement, but oppose everything else, especially the agreement with the nationalized oil company) |
Date | 23:59:00, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | It seems you still don't understand what the professional retirement age is. The retirement age was created to serve as a framework for workers to guide themselves by, mainly for retirement money. The retirement age works as follows: if you retire before the retirement age, you don't get all the benefits, if you retire after, you get all the benefits. You cannot force people to retire (eve though there are special circumstances such as not being capable of working anymore because they are too old but that doesn't happen often). OOC: Real world example: Haven't you heard on the news or on the radio people who work until they are 90 something years old? Anyone in the U.S ( and most people do) work past the retirement age (I think it is like 67.5 years old now) because the retirement money is not enough. They do qualify to receive Medicare even if they are working. As for the Mr. Reynolds, he took office 32 years ago, I don't have to answer that question NOW, 32 years later. If you didn't like it why didn't you raise that issue before? Right, you just want to get rid of the most experienced and capable Foreign Affairs Minister because you want to put a Communist in it (URRA). You cannot question Mr. Reynolds' ability, skills, knowledge, integrity, and experience in anyway. |
Date | 23:59:50, June 03, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2585 |
Message | Oh, and about the treaty, that's why it was put up for ratification, Parliament decides, not the Foreign Affairs Minister. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes | Total Seats: 61 | ||||
no |
Total Seats: 62 | ||||
abstain |
Total Seats: 27 |
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