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Bill: Clean Industry Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Leviathan Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 2041

Description[?]:

While growth and production is necessary to provide economic prosperity and stability, we must have government regulation of polution to prevent the poisoning of our citizens or our air and water commons.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageI would support a less intrusive bill that only dealt with the most polluting industries, such as the top 10%.

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FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageWell moderate isn't really defined, but I certainly support restrictions on pollution.

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FromLabour Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageIt would be too much to place very strict restrictions on industry overnight so we support this moderate approach.

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FromRadical Centrists
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageFull support.

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From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageThe options in this case do not have enough shades of grey. I would be interested in how allowed levels of pollution are determined. Is it at the industry or factory level. Can the factories trade excess levels when a certain plant is underpolluting to another which is over. I am not a fan of the one size fits all.

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FromLabour Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageAgreed that the proposals often don't allow for th shades of grey we may like. I suppose we could vote on this in principle and then table a seperate bill, or ammend this one during this debate, to define, in very simple terms, how we would implement it.

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FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageIt is not an acceptable solution to allow businsesses to 'average out' pollution, as the invariable result is the toxification of lower income neighborhoods. Pollution must be measured on each site seperately to ensure that the poor or politically underrepresented are not left holding the big barrel of toxic waste.

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FromLabour Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageI tend to agree on the polution credit trading. It would also be very difficult to police.

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From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageWe won't start a debate on pollution credit, yet. Though we must admit curiousity about what sort of polluting industry you are picturing located in a well off neighborhood. And why this would be harder to police then other polution control. It is not an issue studied closely by the party so we are interested in the reasons presented.

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FromRadical Centrists
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageWell, the carbon trading scheme is something we would be prepared to support, but that is for later...

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FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageIt's not that polluting industries set up in upper class neighborhoods, its that where new industry is created, residential development follows. If there are toxins in the water and dirty air, property values will be low, and thus only people who can't afford anything better will live there.

We're not sure exactly what the LP means that it is more difficult to police, but in terms of accountability, on site standards are quite simple to enforce. Every site must pass inspection, period end of story. No shuffling papers, no trying to write off infractions.

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FromLabour Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageOk, it's not denccessarily more difficult to police, but a larger bureaucracy is needed to do so. You can no longer determine whether a polluter is over the limit or not because you'd have to look at what allowances they've traded with others.

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From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Clean Industry Act
MessageNot convinced that will be much harder to do. With a one size fits all policy it tends to gravitate toward a less strick policy on average to allow for older plants time to catch up. Thus I cannot support the bill as written.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
      

Total Seats: 70

no
 

Total Seats: 15

abstain
 

Total Seats: 10


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