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Bill: DSP.192.2590
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2591
Description[?]:
| Environmental positioning. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to kill animals.
Old value:: Killing animals is legal but regulated.
Current: Killing animals is illegal.
Proposed: Killing animals is illegal.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Current: Only cars using environmentally friendly fuels are allowed.
Proposed: Private cars are allowed, but people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives are provided for cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on whaling.
Old value:: Local governments decide about whaling.
Current: Whaling is illegal.
Proposed: Whaling is illegal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:21:38, June 12, 2008 CET | From |  Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | We find it unbelievable that the conservatives would vote to entirely illegalize the killing of any animals, whatsoever, including for food. Are we all to be forced to become vegetarians! Apparently the Socialists (and evidently the Conservatives) have no appreciation for the freedom of choicethis is particularly disturbing coming from the socialists, who think that it's perfectly acceptable to rape animals, but not to eat them to survive. We support the car initiative, but nothing else here. |
| Date | 23:00:45, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | CP strongly supports the car initiative. I believe we misinterpret the law on killing animals. We understood this as being walking down your street, pulling out a gun and shooting your neighbour's dog because it doesn't stop barking at night. If slaughtering for the food chain is classified as 'killing', then NPP is perfectly correct. Then however is the problem that humans are animals too. Because the definition is vague, CP will change their vote until this has been cleared up. OOC: Limitation of the game because the laws are not specific enough. This opens a whole can of problems. |
| Date | 01:38:12, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | OOC: We can always import food :) |
| Date | 02:49:06, June 13, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | The killing animals law pertains to hunting, not food production. |
| Date | 05:38:22, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | DSP, that was my initial thought but because the law is so vague, we don't truly know what it means. |
| Date | 02:09:16, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | No, it doesn't say hunting. Hunting is different. This is 'killing animals' |
| Date | 07:50:51, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | AFFS, what is defined as 'killing animals'? |
| Date | 11:35:46, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | Killing animals is the same as "killing humans", but applied to all animals. |
| Date | 06:26:22, June 16, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.192.2590 |
| Message | I'd agree with NPP on that. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 205 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 395 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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