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Bill: Military Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Malivia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2592
Description[?]:
| We propose the following changes |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:57:42, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Malivia | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | We believe that we need these strong weapons for the safety of Malivia and Malivia's diplomatic positions. |
| Date | 10:36:58, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Revival | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Once again, the CPM demonstrates its allegence not to the revolutionary doctrine of workers emancipation, but to the conservative creed of nationalism. We support this measure, as we believe that the workers state we intend to create should be properly and thoroughly armed against its counter-revolutionary foes. |
| Date | 10:57:01, June 13, 2008 CET | From | National Labor Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Malivia Left believes that this move is unnecessary, as the workers state that the MLR intend to create hasn't actually been created, and thus this proposal is meaningless. If and when the MLR are successful at their idea of reform, this move may be necessary, but under the government coalition, it is not needed. |
| Date | 12:39:02, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Revival | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Idea of reform? Excuse me? The MLR preaches not the weak and conciliatory doctrine of reformism as your party seems satisfied with, we advocate a bloody and fiery revolution to cleanse the population, emancipate the working class and build a dictatorship of the proletariat. |
| Date | 14:08:51, June 13, 2008 CET | From | National Labor Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | OOC: reform means change, look it up in a dictionary. a revolution is merely a large amount of reform happening at the one time. IC: Malivia Left's argument still stands, that until the proposed reform (or revolution) that the MLR desire goes ahead, these types of policies should not be passed. |
| Date | 00:35:06, June 15, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Revival | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | ooc - if we look at wikipedia, not the most reliable source, I must add, it clearly states "Reform is generally distinguished from revolution. The latter means basic or radical change; whereas reform may be no more than fine tuning, or at most redressing serious wrongs without altering the fundamentals of the system. Reform seeks to improve the system as it stands, never to overthrow it wholesale." This is especially true from a Marxist perspective, which I am RPing. Or in other words, how about you put your dictionary down and learn something about political theory? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform IC - Malivia Left is not proposing an argument, merely stating a fact that is quite apparent to the most simple observer; merely you don't have enough seats to pass this legislation, so it will not pass. We do not mind if the Malivia Left politicians continue to trot out this tired and meaningless line, but be warned we shall not reply. |
| Date | 00:35:57, June 15, 2008 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Revival | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Besides which, your 'argument' is not valid, as this bill now has enough seats to pass. |
| Date | 12:19:32, June 15, 2008 CET | From | Silly Hats Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | The SDP votes no on the basis that Nuclear, Chemical and Biological weapons are morally abhorrent. OOC: Why have a bloody revolution if a peaceful one will get the same job done? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 90 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 35 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy has 464 player slots. |
| Random quote: "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat." - Don Reagan |