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Bill: Abortions for All!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Rabochih
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2593
Description[?]:
Abortion is a human right, and noone should be excluded. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Current: Abortion policies are established by local governments
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 17:25:05, June 17, 2008 CET | From | East Trigunia Company | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | Don't you think living is more of a human right? |
Date | 20:04:22, June 17, 2008 CET | From | Obshestvo Stroiteley Terri | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | Here we will vote no. |
Date | 01:01:07, June 18, 2008 CET | From | Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Rabochih | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | We don't think a party by the name of Christian Soldiers has any scope to talk about rights. |
Date | 03:09:15, June 18, 2008 CET | From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | Abortion is a 'human right'? Not only do we completely reject the entire concept of 'natural' human rights as a universalist, un-conditional, abstract, philisophical superstition, but even if 'human rights' did exist, why would abortion be one of them? In short, 'human rights' don't exist by nature - they're a construct of people who decided it would be a good idea to make a set of things that everyone on earth is somehow entitled to, even if their country does not traditionally believe in that particular right. Nothing is universally applicable. Human rights, therefore, do not exist in the natural sense that the DLP seem to assert. There's no such thing as natural law. The DLP talks of human rights as if they are a moral given - they seem to believe that these natural human rights need no argument for them to be correct, because human rights are always right, and shouldn't be questioned. This does not fly with us, and no laws should be based on such abstract notions that have no root in culture or religion, and no root in history. Morals and ethics don't come from nature - humans aren't born with the knowledge that some things are wrong and others are right. What is right and wrong comes only from our different cultures and religions, and is rooted in our heritage; our place and time. Almost every culture and every religion on earth has come to a similar conclusion about one thing, though - that is, that taking an innocent human life is wrong. And considering that taking an innocent human life is wrong, and that a child in the whomb is, without a doubt, alive (this has been proven by science and we will flatly reject any ignorant argument against this, because it is fact), then abortion is absolutely always wrong under any circumstances. Nobody can deny that - most proponents of abortion try to hide behind their very technical definitions of what constitutes a human being, by assigning humans the necessary properties of 'self-reliance' and a 'conciousness'. But we have one question - who says? Who says that a human being is only a human being when it leaves the whomb, and why should this be the case? Who came up with this arbitrary definition of a human being, and why should be subscribe to that perception of what constitutes human life? The onus of proof is on those who try to claim that human life begins when the child leaves the whomb. Quite simply, a human life is a human life. It doesn't 'become' a human life at a certain stage in its developement - it is ALWAYS a human life, from the moment it developes as a collection of cells, to the moment it stops breathing by natural causes as an elderly person. If our culture believes that killing innocent people is wrong, then abortion is, without a doubt, a capital offence, tantamount to murder. This legislation is disgusting. We vote no - one thousand times, no. |
Date | 18:08:46, June 18, 2008 CET | From | Korporatsia Ignatova | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | Could be tricky with only 112 representatives ;-) |
Date | 07:49:25, June 19, 2008 CET | From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | Or not. |
Date | 07:49:47, June 19, 2008 CET | From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | OOC: Ohhh I just got that. Hahaha |
Date | 16:07:55, June 19, 2008 CET | From | Korporatsia Ignatova | To | Debating the Abortions for All! |
Message | OOC: Yeah, I see how that could be misinterpreted. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 125 | ||||
no |
Total Seats: 430 | ||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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