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Bill: Alcohol for Adults Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sojuz Ljudej (People's Union)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2116
Description[?]:
| This law will restrict purchase of alcohol to adults (Trigunians who are 18 or older, as defined by our law). |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, but consumed by anyone.
Current: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:24:14, September 24, 2005 CET | From |  Sojuz Ljudej (People's Union) | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | This proposal would move our nation more into line with the rest of our world. The current breakdown of laws with the number of nations having that specific law. Alcoholic beverage regulations are not imposed by the government: 3 Alcoholic beverages may be purchased and consumed anywhere, but only by adults: 15 Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, but consumed by anyone: 4 Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults: 20 When it comes to minors drinking, some may not want to pass this law by claiming that "they'll do it anyways". But this law will make it harder for them to get alcohol, therefore reducing the consumption of alcohol by minors. |
| Date | 04:35:53, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Oh yes, let's do it to copy other countries, that's good policy. |
| Date | 23:46:22, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Sotsial-Demokraticheskaya Partiya | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Orange Party has some problems and needs to stop making these bills. |
| Date | 23:51:28, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Radical Conservative Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | I passed the bill a while back that made it the way it is now. It's always fun to be challenged. RCP votes no. |
| Date | 23:52:34, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Radical Conservative Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | (When I said passed, I actually meant, I proposed it. My bad) |
| Date | 23:56:53, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | We oppose this and would prefer reducing regulations on alcohol |
| Date | 00:18:16, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Why should we change our policy ? What's goning wrong at present ? |
| Date | 01:30:27, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | CP, how is alcohol different from other drugs that you banned? Is it just that you like beer but not the ganj? |
| Date | 03:57:56, September 25, 2005 CET | From | People's Equality Party Of Trigunia | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Or maybe it's that alcohol makes alot more money than than cannabis? You wouldn't want to hurt the economy by regulating alcohol, but you have no problem stepping on our citizen's freedom and choice, and completely banning every other drug. Except for the billion dollar tobacco industry, they also bring in the dough, so lets not do anything about something that causes heart disease and cancer(among other things). It's either you legalize all drugs completely, or you ban them all. Otherwise, you look like a hypocrite. |
| Date | 04:39:07, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Except that until we banned drugs in Trigunia, the exchequer was making a nice little income from sales tax on cannabis (and other drugs), with no associated cost to the treasury of running a drug war. Prohibition eliminates the income and spends enormous amounts on the expense. That's why prohibition is such a bad idea on a purely economic level. The real reason for the distinction is simply political expedience. Most people enjoy a few drinks (since alcohol has pretty much always been legal) so they would not tolerate the banning of it. Similarly, while smokers are a minority, they are still a huge number of voters who would likely vote against any party that tried to ban their habit. Again the large number of motivated people stems from the fact that tobacco has pretty much always been legal. Marijuana, on the other hand, having had the misfortune to be illegal for most of the lives of well, everyone, doesn't have the sort of customer base that these other drugs have. The opposite side of this is, of course, that had tobacco and alcohol been invented, say, 20 years ago instead of thousands and hundreds of years ago respectively, they would be treated just like marijuana and other illegal drugs. It's only the fact that they've been around so long that they get special treatment now. |
| Date | 17:24:58, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Smoking is not permitted in public places, that goes far enough for me. Plus in mu mind, we tax it heavily to discourage use. Alcohol is not as damaging as cocaine can be, as heroin is, and as hard drugs are. |
| Date | 18:04:12, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol for Adults Act |
| Message | Oh really? The worst anyone had to suffer from even really heavy cocaine use was a messed up nose and a shrunken willy. Alcohol kills brain cells at quite a clip, and has no trouble doing major damage to other major organs. The real kicker is this, though, someone stupid enough to get heavily into the charlie is just going to mess up their own nose. Would you walk down your local high street at pub kicking out time? Alcohol makes people aggressive and leads to innocent people getting pasted. Heroin is pretty nasty stuff, but so what? So is drinking a bottle of Drain-o. You can't supervise all the idiots in the world every second of every day, so just let them get on with it as long as they aren't kicking seven shades out of someone innocent. Other drugs like MDMA (ecstasy) have a fatality rate of about 2* per 100,000 users per year. This compares with 'less dangerous' alcohol at 50 per 100,000 users per year and 'discouraged' smoking at 400 per 100,000 users per year. None of these statistics is secret. Nobody would seriously argue any more that 'hard drugs' are more dangerous than legal drugs. Even addiction is gradually being put into context (e.g., heroin is less addictive than tobacco). None of this is about safety, because if safety were the consideration, drugs would be legalised. None of this is about economics, because if economics were a consideration, drugs would be legalised. None of this is about crime, because if crime were a consideration, drugs would be legalised. This can only be about authoritarian politicians who want to control every aspect of people's lives they can, and they are cynical enough to know that they can get away with banning some things and not others. * Note that this rate is artificially high as a result of prohibition (reduced access to medical attention, unsafe supply chain, any death occurring while under the influence would be automatically ascribed to the drug). |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 555 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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