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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2117
Description[?]:
| The AAP believes that Likatonia is at great risk of becoming a Military State. It is a perceived risk that Military involvement in police matters, no matter WHAT the situation, sets a dangerous precedent. Once we allow the Armed Forces to patrol our streets, we have lost (perhaps, forever) the assurance that our democracy is BY the citizens and FOR the citizens. Once we allow the Armed Forces to patrol our streets, we have sent the message that it is acceptable for the Likatonian government to fight internal difficulties, with a military response. The AAP finds this unacceptable. The Theatre of Operations for the military, should be in the arena of war... NOT in Likatonian malls and music-halls. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:33:55, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Currently the Armed Forces will only help the police, if the police call the Armed Forces in. This is for use in serious riots, natural disasters or other serious situations. We feel denying this option to the police force will only be harmful to the continued existence of peace in Likatonia. |
| Date | 22:43:14, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Response to the Conservative Party: The recent legislation allows the Armed Forces to be called in as an auxilliary police force. This should not be allowed to happen. If the Military are EVER involved in civil actions, it should be as a peace-time military force, NOT as an adjunct to the judicial powers of government. Thus - while the AAP agrees that there is good reason to involve military experts in a natural disaster recovery, it should be under a Department of Defence umbrella, not as pawns to the police commissioners. Also, as we illustrated, the AAP believes there is too much risk in allowing a military presence to be under the direct control of the police, because of the threat of becoming a military state. The AAP cannot sit idly by, while such actions are allowed. |
| Date | 23:49:45, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Could we not come to the compromise "A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies."? this option sounds very much like what the Conservatives are trying to suggest is in place at present, which is clearly not the case as they changed this law recently, and would have had no reason to do so if the only situations in which the military are involved are "riots, natural disasters or other serious situations", as these would fall under serious emergencies. We join the AAP in their deep concern that our country is becoming a police state (we are one of only four countries to have this, or higher a level of military intervention). However, we feel that in dire circumstances the military must be available for disaster relief when the ordinary police force is overwhelmed. We urge the AAP to settle on the compromise, in the hope of this legislation gaining wider support. |
| Date | 23:58:31, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | The CNP believes that sometimes that the police cannot be trusted, and national troops must be brought in, in the instance of insurrection against the Monarchy. |
| Date | 00:57:44, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Response to the CNP: Likatonia is no longer a Monarchist state, and, if the military WERE allowed to intervene in EXACTLY the fashion you suggest, the current Republic would have been 'put down by the Armed Forces' for being an 'insurrection'. |
| Date | 01:32:54, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Response to the LPE: If the LPE representative re-reads our proposal, and other comments on this matter, they will see that we are NOT opposing the Military being involved in such events as disaster cleanup, or other such problems. What we object to, is the fact that the military 'back up' the police. This is still true under the 'compromise' suggestion the LPE tendered : "the military may be called in to help". Note: the references to the Armed forces 'helping' or 'backing up' the Police. This is where the danger lies. If the Military is EVER involved in such situations, it should be AS the Military (acting as a peacetime force) - NOT as adjuncts to the police force. Once you 'tie' your military to your police force, you are opening the path to Military Dictatorship. Just imagine how the last 'revolution' would have been supressed by pro-Monarchists, if the military were allowed to be agents of 'the Law'. |
| Date | 01:42:50, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Likatonia is a Monarchist state, held hostage by republican rebels. |
| Date | 03:38:31, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Response to the CNP: The AAP believes you might be incorrect, since the majority vote seems to have favoured a Republic over a Monarchy. Thus, while a tyrant may TEMPORARILY have ground the faces of the Likatonian poor, Likatonia has never been less than a frustrated democracy. From time to time, certain individuals will believe they have some ordained right to more than their brethren and sistren, SIMPLY because they had fortuitous birth. Fortunately, the democratic distribution of power will always disenfranchise such tinpot despots eventually. |
| Date | 23:45:11, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | "Likatonia is a Monarchist state, held hostage by republican rebels." hee hee. Yes, of course we have the country hostage. We held all the citizens to gunpoint to force them to elect us so that we could bring about a revolution. Or maybe we rigged the vote so that we would have a 2/3 majority? Whatever we did, it was certainly EXTREMELY underhand and devious. ;-) |
| Date | 23:55:12, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Response to the LPE: It WAS very clever, how we managed to 'trick' (allegedly) so much of the population into thinking that they were in favour of democratic government, in place of dictatorial despotism.... |
| Date | 00:43:23, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Military Theatres |
| Message | Again, the AAP intends to press this issue to a vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 103 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 71 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 101 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
| Random quote: "Men who have greatness in them don't go in for politics." - Albert Camus |