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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2119
Description[?]:
| The AAP believes that a strong potential exists for abuse in the current legislation that insists on 'requirement' for military service. In one fell swoop, the rights of conscientious objectors and pacifists have been obliterated... there IS no 'non-military' alternative. Instead, on the whim of the Senate, Likatonian citizens can now be forcefully enrolled, and placed in harm's way, regardless of personal belief. The AAP finds this undemocratic, immoral - and, quite possibly - unconstitutional. There will ALWAYS be rooms for abuse, while a draft is allowed, no matter WHAT circumstances and stipulations are described. The AAP believes we MUST remove the threat of 'ad hoc' drafts, from the Likatonian military. Amendment language: The AAP representative has been advised to include the following possible compromise: In event of war, a quorum of the cabinet is needed to implement an immediate conscription order - that is, if a majority of cabinet members SUPPORT an immediate conscription, there shall be a tacit agreement that such a bill has been proposed, voted on and implemented. Under ALL other circumstances, including when a quorum cannot be made, there is no conscription allowed under law. This is purely a special exemption in wartime, and the law is assumed, in all other respects, to read that there is NO conscription. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:36:24, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | Have you actually looked at the current law. Adults CAN be requied in TIMES OF WAR to serve a term in the military. So all thc current law actually does is give the government the power to raise a large army, in tims of war. Where is the harm in this? If our nations existance is threatened we will need every man to do his duty. We cannot see why the AAP would not allow this option to our government in times of war? |
| Date | 22:52:50, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | Because it is no longer a volunteer army. It really is that simple. The current legislation allows the Likatonian government to encounter a military 'need' (which is pretty arbitrary), and conscript on that basis. This is open to abuse, since the Likatonian government could engineer a necessity... for example, engaging in a peace-keeping mission, or a 'war on terror' situation, which it would be able to use to enforce conscription. Currently, Likatonia has no problems fielding a perfectly capable force - well trained, and well equipped. We wonder why the Conservatives would think it advisable to replace a volunteer-army with conscripts, and a well-trained-well-equipped small force, with a mass of cannon-fodder. The new Likatonian army doesn't NEED big numbers, especially not of largely untrained conscripts. |
| Date | 23:56:14, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | Now that that legislation has passed, the LPE intends to propose an ammendment which will leave the legislation as it currently stands, but allow a way out for conscientious objectors etc. We feel that while conscription should be assiduously avoided, for reasons outlined by the AAP above, should we ever find ourselves in threat of imminent invasion, or should our trained army be decimated by weapons of mass destruction or being grossly outnumbers, our citizens should be called on to fight as a last resort. However, we don't at all believe in forcing people to fight, and think there should be a way to opt out. |
| Date | 01:04:50, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | The AAP welcomes the LPE amendment, but believes we should remove any threat of conscription, as soon as possible. We beg the support of the LPE on this matter - and are fully willing to back the LPE amendment, should our legislation fail. We are not ruling out the idea of introducing 'draft' legislation at a later date, i.e. if it is really needed. What we are objecting to, is having a standing statute ON THE BOOKS, that allows spontaneous conscription - without a review at that time. |
| Date | 23:50:58, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | We have confidence that the government would not wish to alienate the people to such an extent as to conscript where it is not strictly necessary. I take your point that it would be useful to have a method by which the Senate could veto the conscription, but maybe in a time of war such a bill would take too long to pass? 8 months can allow for the destruction of the entire nation. To further cover these concerns, I may add a clause to my ammendment that means for conscription to occur it must be sanctioned not only by the head of state but also the defense minister. This should ensure that it is only employed in cases of dire need. |
| Date | 00:09:53, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | The AAP does not honestly believe that we have to worry about conscription in the event of an invasion. When the threat is on our very doorstep, the AAP thinks it unlikely that there will be many people who would choose not to volunteer... it's just not pragmatic. And, if the war is overseas, well - we shouldn't get involved in a war UNLESS we have the troops to hand, no? All in all, the AAP finds the idea of a 'safeguard conscription clause' to vulnerable to abuse, and serving too little purpose. If we are invaded, we won't NEED to conscript. If we invade, we should not over-extend our forces at the time. |
| Date | 17:46:49, September 27, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | The RLP is, was, and will remain opposed to selective conscription. In the interests of fairness, either all should be required to serve or none, and we more support the latter. In the event of a justifiable war, i.e. invasion of our homeland, there will be no shortage of volunteers to serve. If there are not enough for other purposes, perhaps the purpose is either not well enough explained, or not important enough to die over. |
| Date | 05:49:45, September 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | The RLP seems to embody exactly the AAP belief, on this issue. Movement to vote. |
| Date | 04:53:19, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | Unfortunately, it looks like this bill will fail due to the timing. RLP have expressed specific support, but have been unable to get their electoral representatives to the floor. |
| Date | 19:59:20, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Kill the Draft |
| Message | The Anarch Anakrousite Party will bring this legislation to the floor again AFTER the next election, in the hopes that a full vote can take place - with ALL parties casting their votes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 77 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 82 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 68 |
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