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Bill: Aucune Nemos Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2042
Description[?]:
| Identity cards are good. Possible alternatives: || "Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis." || "All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them." || "All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times." |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | not recorded | From | Imperial Party | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I think it's *somewhat* demeaning to only issue them on a voluntary basis, as those likely to 'bend' the law would simply not have them. |
| Date | not recorded | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I support the following option: "All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times." That way citizens can be identified at all times, an absolute necessity to ensure security and justice. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | Being forced to carry an identity card is a gross infringement on the civil liberties of the populace. I cannot support such an authoritarian proposal. |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | Being forced to carry an identity card isn't an infringement on civil liberties as it's the most normal thing in the world. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | What if you lose your card? Are you instantly jailed as a spy? Will all non-card carriers be arrested? Carrying an ID card is only the most normal thing in the world if you live in an authoritarian police state. People have the right to walk the streets without having to show their card to whatever passing cop or government employee happens to be lurking. Plus, think of the horrendous cost. These cards will have to be complex enough not to be copied or forged, there will have to be a new one produced every time someone is born, and enough will have to be made to cater for the existing population. Thousands upon thousands more will have to be made because of people losing or damaging their cards. That's going to mean a mega spending spree on the part of the government, at the expense of the taxpayer. |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | All nations have ID cards, even the most democratic ones. I think people who lose their card should be given a new one and people who don't carry their card fined. I also believe they won't have to show their card every time they pass a cop, they would only have to show their card when involved in, for example, a traffic accident. I also there is a humanitarian value attached to ID cards. If a person who is ran over by a car carries his ID card, the hospital immediately knows who it is and they can look up how they can contact his relatives and they can also look up the medical reccord of their patient to see whether he would react bad to a specific treatment, etc... That way ID cards can save lives. Surely the small cost of these cards is nothing compared to the lives it can save. |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | That should be "I also believe there is a humanitarian...." |
| Date | not recorded | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | A drivers license =/= ID. However I am not against issuing them, provided that people are not required/fined for not having them on them. (Ie for tax returns and stuff, analogous to a social security number) |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I don't think they would be denied tax returns and other benefits for not having their cards on them. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I'm not saying they have to have them on them, its more of an ID number. Numbers are easier to move then names. You don't have to carry them, you just need not to lose them/remember the number. |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I think its best to make carrying them mandatory... I gave an example of someone who must be taken to the hospital, suppose that person is seriously injured or even in coma. How would they find out his ID number then? |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I'd compromise and allow voluntary carrying like conservatives have proposed. |
| Date | not recorded | From | New Democrats of Rutania | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | The United States doesn't have a national identity card, SDP. We have drivers licenses that are issued only to drivers. |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | As a compromise, I'm willing to accept voluntary carrying. But didn't the United Kingdom recently introduce compulsory ID cards because "crucially, the cards will help people to live their lives more easily, giving them a watertight proof of identity for use in daily transactions and travel" and of course because of the terrorist threat. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Par-tay | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | No, the Labour Party is trying to, but not surprisingly, the measure is being hotly contested, because being made to carry an ID card infringes on the civil liberties of British citizens. (I'm British in real life by the way). |
| Date | not recorded | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Aucune Nemos Act |
| Message | I stand corrected. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 168 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 107 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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