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Bill: Liberal Education Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Liberal Party of Endralon
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2596
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of universities nationwide.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government does not maintain any forms of higher education.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government allows public and private higher education institutions to coexist with self-regulation for those that are private.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Current: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Proposed: The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside unregulated private establishments.
Current: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nursery and pre-school educational centres.
Proposed: The government leaves development of nurseries to the private sector.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Current: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.
Proposed: Education is private, but the government issues vouchers to pay for the schooling of disadvantaged children.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:07:18, June 22, 2008 CET | From |  Chidan Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | Absolute joke. This doesn't make sense on any level. |
| Date | 23:24:34, June 22, 2008 CET | From | Endralon Confederates Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | Except the level called "freedom". |
| Date | 02:10:16, June 23, 2008 CET | From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | Freedom of what exactly? This takes away the freedom of the working class to receive a decent education. |
| Date | 06:25:21, June 23, 2008 CET | From | Endralon Confederates Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | You mean "the freedom of the working to use other people's money to receive a decent education". |
| Date | 11:59:11, June 23, 2008 CET | From | Social Revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | You (ECP) mean "the freedom of the rich to steal real workers' labour, then use it to entrench division and inequality" |
| Date | 13:24:15, June 23, 2008 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | Employing people on a voluntary and mutually beneficial basis is not "stealing", that is just lazy rhetoric, based on the debunked labour theory of value. Stealing is the forceful or decietful taking of another person's property. If there is any kind of commonly accepted economic behaviour that goes on in our society that might be construed as theft it is tax, not voluntary labour. And nor is their a "freedom" to recieve a decent education. Please read Isaiah Berlin's lecture 'Two Concepts of Liberty'. Your class-based philosophies are disturbing. The ECP and NLP belive in the noble principle of freedom, and place this above issues of equality and class. Don't try to pretend we are the unprincipled ones in this debate. |
| Date | 15:21:04, June 23, 2008 CET | From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | NLP, people have a right to receive a decent education and to take this right from the working class, is to restrict freedom, rooting individuals in their socio-economic background, for life, eliminating the freedom of self-improvement. I believe it is important to think of the tax system as an investment. For example, if tax payer money is used to fund education for students, the result is a more educated, productive society, and everyone benefits from a more productive society. What use is retaining all of your income if you only have a poor economy in which to use it? |
| Date | 17:34:02, June 23, 2008 CET | From | New Liberal Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | If you actually READ the acts I have put in place Chidan, you would see that Higher Education still relies on a means-tested loan, meaning poorer students can still go to university, while richer students are expected to pay for themselves. The fact that tuition must be paid back after degrees are completed means that students will select courses most likely to result in solid employment, higher salaries, and the student is unlikely to linger wastefully at uni as many students do uner free higher education. Also, the government would put in place a voucher system for sub-tertiary students, which means funding follows the poor student wherever their parents elect to send them to school and rich parents are expected to pay for their children's fees. This is both more equitable and more productive. For one, all of the governments primary and secondary school expenditure would go to those who need it. Fundamentally this means getting rid of middle-class welfare in the education system. Also, schools have an incntive to take on poorer students, because they get more funds out of it. Also, it creates competition between schools, who instead of relying on rigid zoning laws must actually strive to attract potential students. In future Chidan, read the laws, and think about them more fully, before launching into an ideologically motivated attack on those who, like you, wish to put in place the best and most humane policies, but think that this should be done differently from how you belive it should. |
| Date | 15:49:04, June 24, 2008 CET | From | Chidan Party | To | Debating the Liberal Education Reform Act |
| Message | We don't believe our educational institutions should be run on the profit-motive. We also don't believe any student should graduate in debt. Students should be encouraged to pursue a career in which they feel they will excell, financial issues aside. You are forcing students to abandon their interests in favour of jobs that provide a higher income, whether they are productive in such a job or not. Your proposal will only lead to the formation of social and economic barriers. In any market there are winners and losers, in this case, the winners being those schools that attract the best students, thus charging the highest tuition fees and attracting the better teachers. We don't support any school turning away a student due to poor academic results. We also don't support separating students based on their academic capabilities. NLP, this bill is NOT any more equitable than the laws that were in place before. We do not appreciate your suggestion that we do not read the proposals put forward as we respect the views of every other party in this nation and believe all should be treated with the same level of respect and appreciation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 387 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 250 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 113 |
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