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Bill: DSP.201.2597
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2598
Description[?]:
| If one chooses to sell themselves sexually for money that is their choice, however not all areas are going to recognize the inherent social freedom of a person and as such it is detrimental to freedom to allow it to be controlled by local governments. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right for a person to prostitute himself or herself.
Old value:: Prostitution regulation decisions are left up to local governments.
Current: Prostitution regulation decisions are left up to local governments.
Proposed: Prostitution is legal and a recognized profession.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:13:55, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | In controlling what local governments can and cannot do, we are in effect _limiting_ freedom. Local governments are likely to more directly represent local people's desires and needs. Some areas of Sekowo may not want prostitution, for instance, others may not care or may even endorse it. To this end, we will not support this bill. |
| Date | 06:18:01, June 26, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | The protection of individual (social and political) freedom trumps democracy and what the community wants. |
| Date | 06:44:08, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | However, something realized as a danger to society will be put above. If people believe that prostitution isn't safe, they will put public safety above public freedom. Like restricting freedoms to light a bonfire in one's living room. It's restricting freedom, in a way, but at the same time, it's restricting other's freedom by restricting their safety. (And safety isn't just physical, but emotional.) |
| Date | 07:05:28, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | DSP, please drop the pretense at being interested in individual freedomyou are interested in promoting social and political freedoms only so long as you agree with them: to wit, you oppose religious (social) freedom, and you oppose giving local governments political freedom, as this case clearly indicates. |
| Date | 10:01:52, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: An anecdote. We have a running gag about the prostitutes in some of the nearby towns. Due to the low income level in my home state, the prostitutes are by no measure comparable to their Vegas sisters. We jokingly refer to the toxic brew of their, ahem, nether regions as "Herpeghonasyphilaids". It rolls off the tongue so beautifully... :P |
| Date | 10:24:17, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | [[Ironically, I've been told that Clark County is the only county in Nevada where prostitution in any form is illegal]] |
| Date | 17:31:35, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | ((I think you're right, unfortunately...)) |
| Date | 20:02:25, June 26, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | We believe in individual freedom, and do not believe governments have rights period. Further more there is a difference between prostitution and lighting a bonfire in ones house, as the latter creates a very high risk of hurting others physically and damaging property not owned by the fires lighter. As for religion we believe that people have the right to believe whatever they choose to, however they have no right to enforce this or try to teach the lies of religion to children. |
| Date | 22:48:11, June 26, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | If we will have prostitutes (which we are vehemently against), then a few thoughts on Prostitution laws, if we may: 1) All Prostitutes must register their profession with the proper government authorities. .-This is like any other job, where you pay taxes on your income and are able to receive disability benefits should something happen due to job-related injury... 2) All Prostitutes must submit to mandatory sexually transmitted disease (STD) screenings monthly (at least). .-Public safety remains the SIP's primary concern. ((OOC: Porn stars in the US do monthly STD tests)) 2a) Prostitutes who are found to carry an STD that is treatable should be treated immediately (business insurance or personal insurance), and have their license temporarily revoked (for the course of the treatment). Once further testing PROVES 100% the prostitute is free of STDs, their license to continue work will be returned. 2b) Prostitutes who are found to carry an STD that is non-treatable, are eligible for disability benefits. .-Again, both are public safety measures. If it's legal, it should be SAFE. 3) Prostitution that does not comply with the above stipulations should be cause for fines or jail time, depending on the number of counts against the prostitute(s) involved, and the severity of the case. .-Again, this is like with any other business. In essence, if we are to allow prostitution in Sekowo, then we should treat it as any other business is treated. The "professionals" should be subject to random health inspections, as they are providing a health related service. Also, if a prostitute is found to be in violation of business law (no license/improper healthful practices), they should be subject to fines and suspension of services until such time as they are able to provide documents proving their eligibility to continue work. ((OOC: Shame on you for making a conservative person like me, have to write up something like that. XD Cory, was it? You're making my life interesting.)) |
| Date | 23:27:16, June 26, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: I knew I should have chosen the 'Government has a monopoly on prostitution' option. It's always good to do things you would'nt normally do. Oh, and it's Cody, but you can just call me iori, since that's more hat I go by. |
| Date | 01:54:50, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC:I meant no offense btw, I have been enjoying the shift in my perceptions since starting this game. Figured I would use my cell to make that clear... Back to work for me. |
| Date | 04:49:43, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | And we believe that the public schools have no right to spread socialist lies to children, yet we see no crusaders coming out against that, now do we? The ideas of socialism, the lies which are meant to bind and subject children to government, a creation of mankind, and enslave them to the will of 'the people' or whatever the ruling party thinks. A libertarian perspective, in which we believe that there is good and evil, and the knowledge of such has a divine origin, contradicts the very idea. Prostitution will still occur, but the idea is to allow the people to punish those who improperly use their agency according to right and wrong. OOC: the whole 'lies of religion' bit is what makes me think you must have an entirely atheistic party. It isn't even the 'lies of Abrahamic religion' or the 'lies of Judeo-Christianity' If you are going to have any pretext of connection with religion, you've got to tone those ideas down. In gameplay, it makes sense, no? |
| Date | 08:19:55, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: So, now that I'm home, did you like or dislike my ideas for the prostitution? I mean, just having prostitution go on unchecked is kind of foolhardy. I know you don't like nanny-state governments, but... if it's a job, it should be treated like any other job, imo. Let me know? |
| Date | 08:45:39, June 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: None taken. And I agree there needs to be regulations, I actually like the Dutch model, where prostitutes have to have licenses form the state which require them to get a monthly physical and stuff. Of course things could be said about the old Japanese Floating World model where Geisha (primarily entertainers, sometimes prostitutes) and general prostitutes all lived together in a gated of community and stuff. |
| Date | 08:46:55, June 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: AFFS; Well I don't doubt that at least a Large minority of my party believes in some religion or the other, it has been since I started an officially Atheist party. |
| Date | 10:29:32, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | [[The Census will tell all]] |
| Date | 10:29:44, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the DSP.201.2597 |
| Message | OOC: So in essense, the Dutch model is like I proposed (just mine may have been a bit more convoluted)... cool. I'll admit, it was kind of difficult to set aside my prejudice against prostitutes to do something like that, so I'm glad it turned out pretty well. Since it, yaknow, is going on the books and all.. lol |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 300 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 228 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 72 |
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