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Bill: Defence Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Telamon National Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2599
Description[?]:
We feel that with our Defence budget the defence is in drastic need of reform and that these measures will ensure that Telamon is secure from any foreign invasions. Clause 3.1: Article 3 will only exclude people who are of the Islamic faith, or in times of war people of descent from that region or religion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Proposed: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to have any place in the military.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are treated according to the national laws of the captor power.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 20:35:44, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Defence Reform Act |
Message | We find all articles agreeable except this one: "Article 3 Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to have any place in the military." Explanation: If this isn't racist, I don't know what to say. Please, do not tell us any more of that wishy-washy false tales about not showing open racism. We think that everyone can fight for Telamon if they want to, if they don't show signs of open homosexuality. Mr Welsh likes being homosexual, I can tell. But, if he is so eager to stop persecuting homosexuals, why is he not against the persecution of colored races/other religions. That sounds pretty selfish to me. The RRP will continue to push laws against racism and fascism, thou we think that homosexuals can be what ever they want as long as they don't show that in the public. Vojislav Krkljus Chairman of the RRP |
Date | 21:23:58, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Defence Reform Act |
Message | This law is there to ensure that we do not recruit enemies of the state, especially muslims. Muslims do not have a loyalty to the state but a loyalty to Islam and Mohammed, A muslim is forbidden from fighting other muslims in his religion and we feel this poses a great security risk to our nation. We will add a clause to this bill. What is the different from being openly gay and openly black? You are born or developed that way and its not something that person can help, being anti-gay is just the same as being anti-black. Mark Finnan, Shadow Minister of Defence. |
Date | 23:26:18, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Defence Reform Act |
Message | We understand your worry about Muslims. We know that the Koran, their main resource in conducting plans, wages "Holly War" against nonbelievers, atheists and members of other religion. But we mustn't bring such a law up, if anyone in the military is showing behavior of such sort, there is always expulsion from it. Maybe there are some Muslims that would fight for Telamon. It is proven by many researches that if you encourage homosexual behavior, more people will turn to it. We don't mind them having their clubs, but public homosexuality is considered by more than 50% of people offensive. They also may not have the privilege to adopt, because 80% of those children become homosexual themselves, from where we see a real cause. You can't have a male for your mother or otherwise; it just doesn't make any sense. We hold that policy for any homosexuals, not just white ones. Being from an other race is different, you are normal as normal can be and there is no reason for you to be segregated or persecuted when you haven't done anything wrong. Lets get one thing straight: we don't say that homosexuals did something wrong, no. We are just against open homosexual behavior, as it might have some dire consequences. We aren't anti-gay, as you said, but you have just said, by the context of your speech, that you truly are anti-black. That worries us, and we think the TNP has got to stop their fight against the colored. As maybe you have noticed, besides our policy about homosexuality, we try not to propose such laws, because that is not prior at the moment, and the whole way the society things has got to change till we start our reform. Vojislav Krkljus Chairman of the RRP |
Date | 01:26:01, June 29, 2008 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Defence Reform Act |
Message | Muslims can never be trusted, they are permitted to practice Al Taqqiya which allows muslims to deny their faith too fool the 'oppresors' (non believers). We believe that National Security and the safety of our soldiers should be put first and this bill ensures that. As for your comments on homosexuality, there is no facts to back up what you say. There is very little balanced research into the subject due to PC sentiments, TNP would like to see strong balanced research into homosexuality but at the moment it is the main accepted belief that people are born gay just like they are born black, white, asian etc... Mark Finnan, Shadow Minister of Defence. |
Date | 20:52:56, June 29, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Defence Reform Act |
Message | We will support this bill due to the overwhelming number of wise articles. Vojislav Krkljus Chairman of the RRP |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 181 | |||
no | Total Seats: 186 | |||
abstain |
Total Seats: 134 |
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