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Bill: Support Our Farmers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Militant Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2120
Description[?]:
| Provide subsidies for low income farmers to encourage growth and stop Beluzia from becoming dependant on trade for our food! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may not seize private property.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Eminent domain compensation (if eminent domain is legal).
Old value:: A neutral body appointed by the courts determines the compensation, either party may appeal.
Current: A neutral body appointed by the courts determines the compensation, either party may appeal.
Proposed: The victim of eminent domain sets compensation, government can appeal to the courts if they deem the cost too high.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Current: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Proposed: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning farm size.
Old value:: Farm size regulations are determined by local governments.
Current: Farm size regulations are determined by local governments.
Proposed: Farms that grow too large are broken up and the land redistributed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:38:50, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | Any objections? |
| Date | 19:30:26, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | nein |
| Date | 22:11:58, September 25, 2005 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | I support Article 1, but oppose Article 2. |
| Date | 23:22:45, September 25, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | I might support |
| Date | 08:15:08, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | Sorry, I just don't see this as a responsible bill. |
| Date | 17:14:33, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | The first article: This is necessary as we must be able to produce our own food. Any country that is simply a consumer and not a producer is bound to fail. It is only sensible to encourage growth in an area such as agriculture, which this will do. The second article: We do not propose that we punish farmers for being successful. However, some farms have grown to sizes which are simply unmanageable and so are unproductive. By taking land which is unused and redistributing it, we can again encourage growth. |
| Date | 17:16:58, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | We are willing to add these two articles to the bill, in order that farmers whose land is taken can claim compensation: - The government may seize private property for vital government works. - The victim of eminent domain sets compensation, government can appeal to the courts if they deem the cost too high. Hopefully we can reach a concensus on this bill. |
| Date | 21:00:19, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | It is well known that the most "unproductive" type of operation is that which is government run. This is the first stage towards autocracy and the PAL for one will kill this communist rebellion in its cradle. If you takes peoples rights away from them gradually they tend not to notice what a mess they are in until such a time as they have no power. One notable advocate of this style of government was Hitler - we must support civil liberties and give this encrougment the collective middle finger! |
| Date | 23:16:49, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | Nowhere in the bill does it propose that the government runs anything. Farms will still be run by farmers. This bill is not communist or nazi (which are two completely different things btw), it is liberal. It is simply encouraging competition in the agricultural sector and stopping our reliance on other nations. Would you not agree that Beluzia should be able to grow it's own food? |
| Date | 23:38:03, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | 1. Beluzia IS growing its own food... 2. Breaking up of farmers' land does not encourage "competition" because farmers have no drive to be successful because their land will be taken away from them. Face it you don't like success of any kind you like dependancy and mediocrate. 3. Thank you for your inciteful knowledge on political terms. The difference is news to me! What would I do without your guiding encyclopeadic knowledge of politics. YES they are different, Sherlock, however, they not only hold huge similarities but it might be good for you to know for future reference that the "nazi" party was the "National SOCIALIST" party. |
| Date | 00:46:38, October 03, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Support Our Farmers |
| Message | Nazis supported business, and worshipped efficiency. They both persecuted Jews and murdered dissenters. But Communism killed and abused far more people, for far longer, so its MUCH more evil. Besides that, its less efficient, You need to remember, Germany was BOOMING until Hitler freaked out and declared war on the earth. If his generals has succeeded in assassinating him...His abilies suddenly changed around 1940. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlers_medical_health he was all cracked out at the time. Nobody invades Russia and stays in the winter. Napoleon failed the same way. Who wants Russia anyways! If he had accepted the slavs instead of trying to murder them, there need not have been an eastern front. Hitler was too crazy to honor a treaty.. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 59 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 341 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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