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Bill: House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608
Details
Submitted by[?]: Front Canrillaise
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2610
Description[?]:
| This act of succession recognizes the appointment of the House of Orléans-Vasser to the throne of Great Rildanor effectively immediately, with the crowning of Léopold Jean Tristan d'Orléans-Vasser as Léopold, Roi des Rildanoriens. PROPOSAL: A new dynasty. ARTICLES: 1. The House of Orléans-Vasser will be granted the throne of Great Rildanor 2. Léopold Jean Tristan d'Orléans-Vasser, the son of Jean-Philippe d'Orléans and Isolde de Vasser, aged 17 and unmarried, will be crowned King 3. The House of Orléans and the House of Vasser, Rildanor's oldest families after the Nareaths, shall both be given the title of 'Distinguished Family', and will continue to function as two separate houses, with the exception of the new Royal House of Orléans-Vasser, which is independent and supreme 4. Descendants of the House of Nareath, now existing only outside of Rildanor on a limited, non-formal nature, shall be given the title of 'Distinguished Family' with royal favour, but will now be exempt from the throne and the line of succession 5. A new coronation tradition will be put in place whereby every monarch of Rildanor shall be crowned by the Pope of the Orthodox Catholic Church in Sanctus City, a tiny religious and independent enclave between Rildanor and Kanjor |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Hénri II, Roi des Rildanoriens
Current: Chef de l'État Rildanorien (Head of the Rildanorian State)
Proposed: Léopold, Roi des Rildanoriens
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:22:39, July 14, 2008 CET | From |  Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Our choice lies with option 1, since we must respect the laws of succession. However, since the Senate is supreme in Rildanor, we can decide the matter with a simple vote. We want to maintain the Nareath line, but are uneasy about a dual monarchy with Alduria. What do the other parties think? |
| Date | 16:11:23, July 15, 2008 CET | From | Dieu et Nation | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Make Queen Elaine ruler of Rildanor. |
| Date | 16:27:04, July 15, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | But what happens when the Queen dies? The heir still needs to be determined either way/. Were not sure about having Aldurian influence on the Rildanorian monarchy, so we'd pick option 1. Perhaops it's time for a new family to assume the throne, the Nareaths have had their 300 years. |
| Date | 17:05:18, July 15, 2008 CET | From | Dieu et Nation | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We will still support the Queen. But if we have to choose we will choose option 2 in order to keep Rildanor from becoming an Aldurian puppet. |
| Date | 04:18:19, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | What if we get some type of concession from the Aldurians, such as keeping the two monarchies separate once the Empress dies, which in that case would pass the crown to a younger child she may have, different from whoever the Aldurian heir is. |
| Date | 14:02:44, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Libéraux Rildanoriens | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | There are surely noble families of royal descent in Rildanor it is up to us to establish an heir from one of these families |
| Date | 17:18:28, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Partie Impériale Populiste | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We still support 2. But what does Alduria think of all this? |
| Date | 17:19:20, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Partie Impériale Populiste | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | But first, how old is Elaine? Surely she could still marry, or at least have a consort? |
| Date | 19:48:33, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We would support the start of a new dynasty. |
| Date | 20:53:47, July 16, 2008 CET | From |  Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Excuse me for the intrusion but I have some knowledge of the situation as the representative of the Hulstrian Imperial Family. The party representing the Aldurian Imperial Family is on vacation. The party representing the Luthori Imperial Family has control of Philippe III of Alduria, who is the heir to the Luthori Throne. Those thrones are slated to enter into personal union under Philippe III. Futher more, Philippe and Mathilde's only child, and therefore the Heiress to both the Luthori and Aldurian thrones, and I guess possibily the Rildanorian Throne, Josephine is the Hulstrian Empress. The plan being that at least the Hulstrian, Aldurian, and Luthori throne will be united under one person. We have a plan that will have these future "Universal Emperors" rotate through each court, and I'm sure if Rildanor so desired, we could easily include you. |
| Date | 22:09:45, July 16, 2008 CET | From | Partie Impériale Populiste | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | This seems better, for no one nation would have control. |
| Date | 04:46:23, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | An interesting proposition by the KHP, but will it fly in Rildanor? We'll consider supporting it if there is enough support amongst other parties, otherwise it might be wise to keep the Rildanorian monarchy separate if only to keep the institution alive and well, separate from the sometimes chaotic events that the other countries are involved in. |
| Date | 17:56:35, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | It's bold, but these things have the habit of failing after a certain number of years.Perhaps if the Universal Queen had four children, and then have each child become monarch of a country after the Queen's death. In any case we will support it, it might even keep the Nareath line alive. |
| Date | 18:19:26, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Excuse I think I didn't properly explain what I meant by Universal Emperors. The "Universal Emperors" are not Rudolph and Josephine, but their descendents. And when I say we plan to rotate them I mean, their heir will be raised in the Luthori Court, his heir will be raised in the Aldurian Court, his heir will be raised in the Hulstrian Court and then the cycle begins again. To my knowledge the Luthori and Aldurians prefer this plan to a RL Charles V plan. I am open to either, as it is just my goal to collect Crowns for the House of Rothingren as the Habsburgs did in RL. |
| Date | 23:54:32, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Sounds like it will take a long time before a country can actually have a monarch raised in their court. We propose to begin a new dynasty in Rildanor instead. What say the other parties? |
| Date | 03:14:09, July 18, 2008 CET | From | Libéraux Rildanoriens | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | we support the PdA. A new dynasty would be welcome ( though we are quite a new party to this nation and would be interested to know if there are long established families or if they would have to be made up ?) |
| Date | 04:31:41, July 18, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | There were past references to notable families in the past, but none have been really popularized. We would have to make one up, particularly a French name we could all agree with. Some family names mentioned in the past: Orléans Clermont Suggestions: Beauchamp Bontecou Garnier Vasser Molyneux |
| Date | 17:14:14, July 18, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Yes let's just go with our own dynasty. We should enact some law that states that the monarch of Rildanor would have to reside in the country to be legitimate, anything other than that would either mean abdication or foreign rule. As for the new family name we like Orleans, but also like Vasser. |
| Date | 05:26:29, July 19, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We like Orléans as well. |
| Date | 20:48:46, July 19, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | OOC:I am sorry that I have not been able to get to this sooner, was on vacation for two weeks. IC: I would first like to say how deeply sorry I am to see the death of my brother-in-law. My wife, is still not yet recovered, and is currently with our daughter in Hulstria. For that reason I have come here to speak to you personally about this crisis, and the fear you have about Alduria making you a puppet state, which is quite laughable considering that you are much older than we are. To start, I would like to give an example of how it would work. The best is the example that just finished, the reign of my father and mother. My father the Emperor of Alduria and my mother the Empress of Luthori. As you know, I would be nothing more than the consort to your Queen, and would have no power or influence over her rule.(OOC: Basically, you guys decided everything she does, and unless it involves the family, then you don't have to ask us, and same thing applies here in Alduria.) Now I am sure that though is not as much a concern as much as the fact that my daughter will be the Empress of Luthori and Alduria, along with currently being the Empress-Consort of Hulstria. She would then also be the queen of Rildanor. That would mean that any children that she had, would be the heir to all of the major Empires in Terra, the "Big four international influential monarchs". (OOC: We already have figured out how it will work between us three, and adding you guys into the equation is not hard. To see what we are thinking of doing, look at the Triplet Agreement in the Treaty section.) I can assure you that a personally Union does not mean a politically Union. In Alduria the monarch is active, by in Rildanor it is neutral. You have your laws for the monarch and we have ours. For that reason, there is no chance that Alduria could ever dominate your polices, nor you do the same to us. A personally union, will only bring the ruling family of all those nations under the same roof, and create one monarch to rule all of those nations, by each of those nations laws. So why end 300 years of family rule, out of fake worry that we will make you a puppet. This is a good thing, for it will bring our two nations, both monarchs, both French culture nations, and both one of the big four monarchs, closer together. There is no need to end this, and as the KHP said, we can simple add you to be on of the courts in the cycle. This is the beginning, of helping to unify the monarchs of Terra, to one great figure. if the big four have the same Emperor, then the IML will have one great leader to look to. The choice is yours, but for the sake of your past King, I beg you not to simply wash away his family, they have served your nation for this long, meaning they are good enough to serve it still. I leave you now you your decision, and will be keeping an eye on this in case you all care to discuss it further. -Emperor Philippe I of Luthori and III of Alduria |
| Date | 21:23:20, July 19, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | "I thank His Majesty Emperor Philippe for his kind words toward my husband. The links that the Nareaths have made with the monarchies of the world is everlasting, and our blood will continue to spread outside of the country. The family, however, has been weakened after the last republic was installed, mainly as a result of persecuted royal members and my own inability to produce a child for the late King. I fear for the continued survival of the monarchy in Rildanor, which is why I feel that this Senate should take the proper course of action by appointing a new royal house to assume the throne of the country, and all the rights, duties, and responsibilities attached to it. I am at a stage of aged frailty an weakness, and my duties as regent cannot last long. It is thus up to the Senate and the people of Rildanor to hastily find my replacement." - Elaine, Reine des Rildanoriens |
| Date | 22:47:25, July 19, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | I respect the decision of the Rildanorian Senate, and wish to ask if it be allowed that the last of the Nareaths, be able to attend the coronation of the new dynasty, for I am sure my wife wishes to see Rildanor again. I wish the new monarch the best of luck, and hope that they can rule the people just as well as the Nareaths did for the past 300 years. -Emperor Philippe Villayn I of Luthori & III of Alduria OOC: So what does that make the Empress of Alduria, is she still a Princess of Rildanor, or is she a Duchess or something else now? |
| Date | 23:56:02, July 19, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | OOC: She will remain a princess of Rildanor. Any heirs that she has will, however, NOT be considered a Nareath nor can legally or recognizably have the name Nareath. She is the last of the dynasty to bear the name (i.e. Mathilde de Nareath), even though the Nareath blood flows in the veins of many outside of RIldanor. |
| Date | 16:13:51, July 20, 2008 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | *waddles back in* "even though the Nareath blood flows in the veins of many outside of RIldanor" Wait so could the Hulstrian Imperial Family claim some obscure Rildanorian Title by right of their descent from Mathilda d'Nareath, sister of Louis-Philippe? |
| Date | 05:52:38, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | What kind of title? You mean the right to the throne? |
| Date | 05:54:18, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | No, just some random title like Viscount of [Insert Tiny Unknown Hamlet Here]. I certainly shouldn't think they could claim the Rildanorian Throne. |
| Date | 06:14:20, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | That is unlikely since they'd be competing with long established aristocrats who feel that they are being overlooked. And besides, titles can only really be given to Rildanorians. |
| Date | 16:36:00, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We'll support it. I specially like the idea of the two families joining together for the royal family and still keeping them separate. |
| Date | 18:42:54, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Bloc de gauche | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | The Aldurian crown is soon to fall, we would not advocate anything to do with them. |
| Date | 21:34:39, July 21, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Perhaps it was wise of us to begin a new family rather than share a failing one with 3 other countries. |
| Date | 00:56:40, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Libéraux Rildanoriens | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Long live King Leopold I |
| Date | 15:32:32, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | The only problem with saying the Aldurian crown is falling is that the majority of the parties support the monarchy, the Emperor rules Luthori and Alduria, and the Emperor is still sitting on his throne and the opposition does not hold 2/3s. Looks to me like it is still there. Strong in Luthori, weaker in Alduria, but still there. The Empress shall attend the opening ceremony and wishes to give her blessing to the new King, and hopes he will continue to serve the people to the very best of his abilities. Long live the new King and his Dynasty. |
| Date | 16:32:47, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Nouveau Centre | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Dieu protège la roi! God save the king! |
| Date | 00:53:57, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | Darn elections keep delaying this. I wish we had a dictatorship. |
| Date | 01:31:25, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Lutte Féministe de Libération | To | Debating the House of Orléans-Vasser, 2608 |
| Message | We will abstain, since we did not have an opportunity to participate in these discussions. Our abstension comes from our strong objection to a crowning ceremony by the Pope and to the crowning of a male heir. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 59 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 41 |
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