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Bill: Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Judicial Union Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2611
Description[?]:
| An act to abolish tariffs on imports. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change International trade (this is a default in the absense of a specific free trade agreement or specific trade embargo)
Old value:: The nation imposes reciprocal tariffs on imports, with no tariffs imposed on states which impose no tariffs on our exports.
Current: The nation allows for imports, but imposes "ethical" tariffs on nations with lower environmental and labour rights standards.
Proposed: The nation does not impose any tariffs or quotas on imports.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:54:22, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | To facilitate trade, further cementing our position as the leading economy in Seleya, and to make imported goods cheaper, we propose to eliminate all tariffs on imported goods. |
| Date | 14:16:07, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | There goes the economy. |
| Date | 14:23:51, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Protectionism is harmful to an economy. In any case, only 4 nations are imposing general tariffs, there is no reason for the current law. |
| Date | 14:38:55, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | You want to do away with our jobs and ship them overseas. |
| Date | 23:18:57, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Well no, we don't want that. Nor will that happen. |
| Date | 01:58:10, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | It is beginning to become obvious that you really do not know the consequences of such decisions such as the one you are proposing. |
| Date | 04:33:55, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | What consequences? There are four nations that impose tariffs on us - Deltaria, Dranland, Kirlawa and Kundrati. It's not like they're major trading partners either. We could stop trading with every one of these nations, and no one in Tukarali would notice the least bit of difference. |
| Date | 04:40:28, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Can you actually show us that they do impose tariffs on us and that if we stop trading with them that we will not notice the difference? |
| Date | 04:49:48, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Look at their laws, you know, the ones that say they impose tariffs. Seriously, how ignorant can you be... The four of them are countries which do not respect human rights and do not have free markets. They are not the nations we should be trading with. |
| Date | 05:00:52, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | In other words, you do not know how trading and marketing works in an international sense. |
| Date | 06:22:31, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | ...what? What basis at all do you have for saying that? |
| Date | 06:38:01, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Uh because we have tariffs on their products same as they have it on ours. |
| Date | 06:41:07, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Yes, and we should eliminate any tariffs, as they stand in the way of international trade. Which is what this law will achieve. |
| Date | 06:48:32, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | This law will achieve nothing. |
| Date | 06:51:19, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Well, it'll abolish tariffs, that's something, isn't it? |
| Date | 15:05:50, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Yep. It means more jobs will be lost overseas. |
| Date | 23:33:39, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Ok, let's assume that there are some jobs that will be lost to one of the four countries previously mentioned (which we highly doubt of course, given that they will not be major trading partners with us). Why should we be protecting an industry that cannot compete internationally? If goods can be produced cheaper in another country, then it is in the interests of our people that we import goods from there. Having artificial barriers to trade just to protect an inefficient industry is offensive to the ordinary person who has to pay higher prices because of it. |
| Date | 23:42:56, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | I do not think he was referring to the nations that have tariffs on us and we on them in regards to losing jobs overseas Judicial. |
| Date | 23:55:41, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Then this law won't do affect the job market then, will it? |
| Date | 00:17:15, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | All it will do is cause prices to rise abit do to supply. In reality, it is easier to keep the current law. |
| Date | 03:00:59, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Actually, this law would make prices fall, if anything. Imports from the four tariff nations will no longer have to bear the cost of tariffs, so the ultimate price will go down. Imports from any other nation, and locally produced goods, would not change. |
| Date | 04:45:07, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Despite the fact that jobs will still be shipped overseas and prices will still go up as demand outstrips supply. |
| Date | 04:49:20, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Uh... what? How does that at all follow? There is no rational basis for that conclusion? |
| Date | 05:02:34, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Oh there very much is a rational basis. You forget the one axiom of being in business. |
| Date | 06:24:53, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | After removing the tariffs, the market will set the price at an equilibrium point where demand and supply are equal... |
| Date | 14:59:38, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | I did not think you know what the first axiom of business is. Businesses will do whatever it takes to save money. Including making things overseas. It has nothing to do with supply and demand. |
| Date | 15:02:06, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | You said: "...prices will still go up as demand outstrips supply" which is really quite wrong. That is what we were referring to. |
| Date | 16:16:53, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | Actually no it is not. When supply dwindles and demand continues to go up, prices will indeed go up. |
| Date | 16:25:33, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Trade (Tariffs) Abolition Act |
| Message | There is no reason that supply would decrease. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 219 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 281 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Don't vote yes on a cabinet coalition that doesn't give you the power that you deserve. |
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