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Bill: Creation of a religion department
Details
Submitted by[?]: Solentian People Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2610
Description[?]:
| The Supreme President of the Federal Republic of Solentia Max Collins, announces his wish to the Senate to create a new governmental Office. Article 1) A new Governmental Office shall be created under the name of the Ministry of Spiritual Affairs. Article 2) The Ministry of Spiritual Affairs shall be under the leadership of the Secretary of State for Spiritual Affairs. Article 3) The Ministry, under the Secretary, shall be responsible for the establishment of the State Religion and for presiding over the Halion Conference. Article 4) Upon the end of the Halion Conference and the establishment of the State Religion, the Secretary shall take on the responsibility of maintaining and representing that church to the cabinet and for providing a fair, and unbiased service of cooperation and communication with all faiths in Solentia. Article 5) The minister with responsibility for the department will be chosen by the Supreme President. Article 6) This proposal requires half of the legislature to support in order to pass senate and remains binding in law until overturned by a three quarters of the legislature voting for the repeal. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:35:25, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | We believe this to be very important in the face of the current changes religion is under going. A new minister would be ideal to deal with the changes in religion that the halion confernece will be discussing and also look after the churches, all religions and all faiths etc The interests of all churches, religions etc should be of interest to all of us and should be taken seriously. Max Collins, Supreme President |
| Date | 20:07:56, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "We find this matter to be of greatest importance in the wake of the religious debates and in the time of the Holy Conference. At a time when the political, social and economic well-being of the state are stable, I cannot think of a more pressing matter than the Spiritual well-being of all Solentian born." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative and Morality Party. |
| Date | 21:42:15, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | Solentia has a tradition of separation between church and state. While you have every right to practice what ever lunacy you see fit outside of government, the TRPS will see no "Minister of Spirituality" sit with the otherwise professional Solentian Cabinet. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 22:13:17, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | I have asked the Conservative Catholic Party to push this through as it was their request and creation, however as we proposed it we will stand by the bill and support it when it comes to a vote. I would like to add that whilst their is a seperation between religion and state- the minister for spirtuality would be watching over religious legislation and be a representative in government for religion and faith which is what we need, not a dictatorial monster telling the churches what they can and cannot do. Max Collins, Supreme President |
| Date | 22:38:45, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "There is a Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs under an Isolationist government at times, why not a Religious expert under a seperationist one? Why is it that you fear God Mr.Harrison?" Catherine York, Conservative Catholic Party Leader. |
| Date | 23:02:35, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | I do not fear your God, Ms. York, I fear what the foolish belief in him may do to the noble people of Solentia. Why should an honest man need God when all things affecting his life are in his own hands? Religion is the fall back of those unwilling to accept responsibility for their own difficulties in life. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 23:10:33, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "My life lies with my God. I bow to him and to him alone. That does not however, excuse me from sin. I repent when I need to. We digress. My argument stands, if Isolationist governments can have Foreign Ministers, I dont see the harm in a simple Ministry for Religious affairs, regardless of the separationism present." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative Catholic Party. |
| Date | 23:15:11, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | These arguments are completely non-related, due to the fact that Foreign Relations are not by law separated from government, while thanks to the Religion Reform Act of 2608, Religion is. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 23:20:00, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "You can isolate us all you like. Alienate us all.Ban the Church, burn the books, puniush what you deem as the wicked. But in the end, all we need is God. You can take everything from us, but you shall never, NEVER, take our faith." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative Catholic Party. |
| Date | 23:21:35, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | That is fine, so long as you do not seek to impose your faith upon myself or my government. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 23:21:52, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "You can isolate us all you like. Alienate us all.Ban the Church, burn the books, puniush what you deem as the wicked. But in the end, all we need is God. You can take everything from us, but you shall never, NEVER, take our faith." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative Catholic Party. |
| Date | 23:24:15, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "Your government is no more Mr.Harrison. This State consists of people of all faiths, and each one of them deserves a Minister of Religion to ensure that religious divides do not ruin our nation." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative Catholic Party. ooc: Sorry for double post. |
| Date | 23:25:25, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | You are mistaken, Ms. York... My government is only just beginning. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 23:27:29, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | "If that is God's will then so be it. I reccomend this be brought to a vote as soon as possible." Catherine York, Leader of the Conservative Catholic Party. |
| Date | 23:29:27, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | I support the moving of this bill to vote so that it can be put down posthaste, and all indiscretions against the current laws of Solentia can be removed from the Senate docket. Baltazar Harrison |
| Date | 23:32:51, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Creation of a religion department |
| Message | Very well, I will move this debate to a vote. Max Collins, President |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 176 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 249 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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