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Bill: Budget proposal of July 2610
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2611
Description[?]:
| Since we privatized public education and health care we only have to pay for those who cant afford it themself, which means we can spend alot less than what we needed for a fully covering public education and health care offer. The money cut from the budget proposel will be given back to the voters in terms of tax cuts if this should pass |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 500,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD |
| Foreign Affairs | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD |
| Internal Affairs | 6,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD |
| Defence | 11,500,000,000 LOD | 47,000,000,000 LOD | 47,000,000,000 LOD |
| Justice | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 7,500,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Health and Social Services | 20,000,000,000 LOD | 28,800,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD |
| Education and Culture | 17,500,000,000 LOD | 45,000,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD |
| Science and Technology | 2,000,000,000 LOD | 9,000,000,000 LOD | 9,000,000,000 LOD |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD |
| Environment and Tourism | 500,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD |
| Trade and Industry | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD |
| Total | 87,000,000,000 LOD | 155,150,000,000 LOD | 101,350,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:40:37, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | I have worked very hard to get our economy where it is now and you are throwing everything away. Shame on you! Not only you have no notion of the economy, you pretend you do. You are throwing years worth of work to the garbage. You are pathetic!!! |
| Date | 22:45:27, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | What am I throwing away? Since we have less to pay for I decrease the budget, or are we supposed to continue the funding at the level a mandatory public school system needs when we dont have one? |
| Date | 22:46:56, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | LP, talk sense. We have just reduced the role of the state in education and health. Logically this means that the state is now contributing less to health and education, so logically we can have serious cut backs in these areas, because the state no longer provides a free health service or education facilities. This does not throw away all of your (heavily underfunded) work. In fact it actually rectifies the underfunding of the health service by allowing the private sector to take over. Your constant whining is really dull, the people do not seem to have appreciated your heroic work in the past, they have given others a chance, get over it. |
| Date | 22:48:57, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | When you cut a budget, you don't cut it all at once, it is done progressively. That way, the economy takes a leeser hit and has time to recover. And yes, you are throwing away years of economic growth and a well funded health care and educational system. Now, they have no funding whatsoever. You clearly have NO IDEA on how the economy works and what is needed in our country. |
| Date | 22:50:15, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | You better slow down your rhetoric kid or I am going to make you cry. I have made this country what it is right now. Watch what you say!!! |
| Date | 22:59:17, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | LP no need to pick a fight with everyone. With the increase in private revenue as a result of the privatization it should balance the budget cuts, let the GDPshow who is right |
| Date | 23:02:04, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Look boy, you have no idea how the GDP works. You need to do it progressively, not all at once. But hey, I don't expect you to do something smart, so I guess what you did is OK. |
| Date | 23:02:39, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | I just hate people who do stupid stuff without any knowledge of what they are doing OR saying. |
| Date | 23:06:42, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Yeah the privatization will have no effect what so ever, its just the government spending that affects GDP (sarcasm) I know what I am doing, and just because the budget cut is dramatic, does not mean our economy will be destroyd, the privatization of education and health care will balance things out since investments and consuption will rise. |
| Date | 23:09:52, July 23, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Keep living in your fantasy world. Are you rich in your fantasy world? |
| Date | 23:45:59, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | ---When you cut a budget, you don't cut it all at once, it is done progressively.--- Like doubling defence spending progressively so that it takes up one sixth of the total GDP? ---You better slow down your rhetoric kid or I am going to make you cry. I have made this country what it is right now. Watch what you say!!!--- What on earth? The Liberals have basically come up with a load of constitutional stuff that only they seem to be aware of, congrats. As for rhetoric, we have no intention of stooping to the levels of the LP, say what you want, it merely serves to confirm why you shouldn't be allowed near any government positions. ---I just hate people who do stupid stuff without any knowledge of what they are doing OR saying.--- So your into self hate? (all IC) |
| Date | 00:07:28, July 24, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | It is obvious you didn't get the sarcasm of my budget proposal, I can't say I expected it. Kids like you don't think logically. "What on earth? The Liberals have basically come up with a load of constitutional stuff that only they seem to be aware of, congrats. As for rhetoric, we have no intention of stooping to the levels of the LP, say what you want, it merely serves to confirm why you shouldn't be allowed near any government positions." After all, you make me laugh. This country would be in ruins of it wasn't for me. But again, I don't expect you to comprehend or even know that. Only smart people can know that. |
| Date | 00:45:42, July 24, 2008 CET | From |  National Business Party (NBP) | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Dudes, you can't do this, you will fuck up the whole GDP, you have to do it progressively. |
| Date | 01:41:49, July 24, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Don't even try, they are the experts and they still probably not out of high school yet. I won't argue with them, hey know it all. |
| Date | 23:21:26, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | Progress Party go away. In one fell we swoop we removed the state from education and health, therefore it one fell swoop we must remove the funding too. As for know it alls, well that would have to be the Liberals. We urge their leadership to starting acting like adults. ooc: Liberal Part what is up? Try to seperate the realms of IC and OOC. The Conservative Party legislators are not just out of high school. |
| Date | 23:51:11, July 24, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | All I said before is IC. The Conservative Party legislators are surely out of high school. OOC: The Progress Party used to be a party in this country. We appreciate their advice. Sow some respect and behave. If you don't want them to interfere with our debates, ask politely. We urge your party' leadership to start acting like adults. We don't expect them to but what do we have to lose with asking. |
| Date | 10:43:23, July 25, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | The Conservative Party have shown themselves to be more capable in goevrnemnt than the previous administration, which incidentally included the Liberals. ooc: The Progress Party has no need to interfere. Talk about respect, you show some respect, instead of behaving like aspoilt child. We would suggest that we are behaving in a far more adult manner than the Liberal Party, which seems to have nothing worthwhile to say at any time. |
| Date | 20:56:46, July 25, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 |
| Message | OOC: Let me put it to you this way, I invite the Progress Party to comment everytime they feel like it. If you were smarter, you would have been polite and asked nicely, maybe they would not comment again but by being rude, they will keep posting their comments because you made them angry. I show respect for those who deserve my respect. You are not one of those. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 85 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 39 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 26 |
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