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Bill: Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Judicial Union Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2613
Description[?]:
| An act to devolve to local authorities responsibility for forest management. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Forest management.
Old value:: There is a national agency which owns and manages all forest land.
Current: There is a national agency which exists side-by-side with commercial forestry companies.
Proposed: Local governments are required to operate forestry agencies, which own and manage all forest land.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:48:57, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | All land belongs to the tribes, which they have maintained since the union. Forest land is part of this, and where it is public, it must also be owned by the tribes. |
| Date | 05:54:15, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Opposed. The feds are better at this than the locals. |
| Date | 05:57:36, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Better at what? Ownership? The tribes owned the land for centuries, they are quite capable of it. |
| Date | 05:59:29, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Back when they were soveriegn and not United. They are united now. |
| Date | 06:01:07, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | The tribes are still sovereign, as well as united. They are not mutually exclusive. Nevertheless, the tribes had this responsibility for decades as well recently, and they did so entirely ably. |
| Date | 06:04:31, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Actually yes they are. Tribal laws cannot contradict Federal Laws. They are not as free to do as they please as you assume they are. |
| Date | 06:05:39, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Nor can Tukarali pass laws legalising slavery, for we are bound by international law. Does that mean Tukarali is no longer sovereign? |
| Date | 06:10:48, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Now I see why I rarely speak up. The idiocy is astounding. |
| Date | 06:14:53, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Oh don't feel bad, sovereignty is quite a difficult idea. One day you'll understand it if you keep trying though. |
| Date | 06:16:06, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | I was talking about you Judicial Union Party. Your idiocy is what I was talking about! Comprehension a problem? |
| Date | 06:18:22, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | You are clearly frustrated at failing to understand delicate public law issues, but you must restrain your anger, it is unbecoming. |
| Date | 06:21:32, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Unlike half the stuff you have thrown out at the Liberty Party? WOW!!! Pot meet kettle. |
| Date | 06:24:08, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | The Liberty Party also fails to understand subtle legal issues, you two make a good couple. |
| Date | 06:27:59, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Why don't you just be quiet Judicial Union. From my readings, he has a far better understanding than you do. He also knows how to read people better than you as well it seems. You will do well to understand the human mind. If you do, then you would not be making all of these bad statements you love to make. And yes we do but not for the reason you think because your reason is flat out W-R-O-N-G! |
| Date | 06:31:21, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | It has always been the firmly held opinion of the JUP that Councillors should have to have a legal education before being allowed to partipate in debates and votes. It would solve so many problems. Ah, if only... |
| Date | 06:36:07, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Which goes to show how stupid you are. |
| Date | 14:24:45, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Nice one Hello Kitty. We oppose. The forests need to be protected for future generations. |
| Date | 14:50:17, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Yes, and the tribes will do that, in light of their cultural and historical connection with the land. |
| Date | 15:06:46, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | No they won't. |
| Date | 15:41:50, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Well, they will. If the national government is going to do it, why would the local governments not? |
| Date | 16:38:40, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Not like it matters anyway right? |
| Date | 16:41:46, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Well it does, we must respect the sovereignty of the tribes. |
| Date | 16:49:22, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Actually it really does not matter if this passes or not. You clearly do not understand what I said. Maybe if you actually comprehend what people are saying instead of being a closed minded, obtuse person, you would understand more. |
| Date | 16:50:34, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | Er... how does it not matter? |
| Date | 17:00:17, July 26, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | You are a lawyer, you figure it out. |
| Date | 07:06:49, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | This is like the RP all over again. |
| Date | 07:45:48, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Natural Resources (Forest Management) Devolution Act |
| Message | It is the RP :P |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 212 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 233 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
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