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Bill: Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience
Details
Submitted by[?]: Judicial Union Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2614
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:22:57, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | As a modern liberal nation, Tukarali must be at the forefront of protecting individual rights. This treaty is merely an extension of that. |
| Date | 14:51:50, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | After reading the treaty for the eighth time, we are not supporting it for we do not agree with article 1. |
| Date | 14:53:13, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | On top of that, We already have signed treaties taking care of Prisoners of War as well as Slavery. Those do not belong in such a treaty like this. For someone who prides themselves on things like that, I am amazed that you did not pick up on it. |
| Date | 23:17:08, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | We also oppose the first article. And is it just me, or is every option included in article 2? |
| Date | 23:21:51, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Art 2 prevents summarily executing prisoners of war, but allows everything else. Forced service is offensive to freedom-loving people. |
| Date | 23:23:47, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | We do not need this. We already have treaties on the last two articles and the third one hurts our ability to defend ourselves if we need alot of manpower in a short amount of time. |
| Date | 23:29:05, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | It is never acceptable to force our citizens to go to war. That is depriving them of their liberty, and to do so would be to have lost everything we would be trying to defend. |
| Date | 23:31:50, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Wether you like it or not, if we are in a war, all of our citizens are forced to it because of the legislature. The only way to make sure our citizens are not forcd to go to war is to never be in one. |
| Date | 23:53:28, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Only evil parties would force citizens to participate in a war against their will. The JUP is not evil, and hence we would never do such a thing. |
| Date | 23:54:04, July 28, 2008 CET | From | Hello Kitty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | So if we are attacked you would not go ahead with said war? |
| Date | 01:02:26, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | If he does not, that is grounds for impeachment. |
| Date | 06:31:22, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Not really... It is a matter of whether the government maintains the confidence of the Council. We would never institute a draft system whereby unwilling people are forced to serve in the army. There is absolutely no situation where that is acceptable. |
| Date | 12:14:55, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | "Not really... It is a matter of whether the government maintains the confidence of the Council." Maybe you should, you know, check the history of this nation? One leader was impeached from office due to a scandle (his party dissolved shortly thereafter) and another party was nearly impeached for trying to get us involved in a needless war. It would have succeeded if not for the quick thinking of a couple of party leaders who got him to back down. With that, there is precedent for impeachment. And yes, there is a situation that wil require it but you are just to ignorant on military affairs to actually see it. |
| Date | 12:20:02, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | There simply is no justification for forcing unwilling citizens to go into the military to die against their will. That is nothing but a massive abuse of power by the state. |
| Date | 12:21:19, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Yep. That settles it. You are just to ignorant when it comes to military affairs. Shame really that a head of state is that ignorant. |
| Date | 12:24:19, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | You have failed to provide a single example (mainly because there are none). |
| Date | 12:26:28, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Why should I? You will just reject it out of hand as impossible! |
| Date | 12:30:12, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Because it is impossible. Prove us wrong. |
| Date | 12:35:40, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | If we are in a global war and we need a ton of manpower, more than what we have at current, we are going to have to do something. |
| Date | 12:41:21, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | If we are in a global war, and the people do not wish to fight, then we have no right to force them to. |
| Date | 12:44:55, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | So you would sacrifice the nation? Some head of state you are. |
| Date | 12:57:04, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | The nation is made up of people, and exists only because of the will of the people. If the people do not wish to fight for their nation, then we cannot force them to. |
| Date | 13:13:33, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | So you would rather watch our nation be destroyed because you do not want to harm the feelings of citizens. |
| Date | 13:15:22, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Uh... we can't exactly fight for freedom if we've taken our citizens freedom away by sending them off to war against their will. A state without freedom is no state worth defending. |
| Date | 13:23:39, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | I see you really have no friggin clue. Do us all a favor and stay out of politics in real life. It is quite obvious you know next to nothing about actual affairs. |
| Date | 13:27:57, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Come now, don't talk about real life, it ruins the game. Incidentally, in real life there has never been a case when forced conscription has been appropriate. No modern rights-respecting democracy would send its citizens off to war. |
| Date | 17:30:48, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Let us see...the US had a peace-time draft in the lead up to World War II. A draft was instituted for World War I. A draft was instituted for the Civil War. Let us not forget the Korean War. All of these not appropriate? I thought so. As to the last sentence, they would if their nation is under attack. Unless you are now trying to tell me that military personnel are no longer citizens. And you wonder why I left the cabinet. |
| Date | 23:23:08, July 29, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | OOC: You can hardly use the US as an example of a rights-respecting democracy. They are pretty far from respecting human rights, and their flavour of democracy, whereby a voter has a choice of two parties, it's not really very good democracy. Even if it were, instituting a draft at those times was not appropriate. IC: It's no surprise you left the Cabinet, you were bound to do it sooner or later. |
| Date | 01:24:05, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the International Declaration on the Rights of the Individual Conscience |
| Message | Defeated |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 162 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 283 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
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