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Bill: Church Establishment Bill

Details

Submitted by[?]: Democrats

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2615

Description[?]:

This Bill proposed to establish the newly formed Church of Lodamun (C of L) (a unified grouping of various Protestant denominations in Lodamun, with half of the population counted as baptised members, see news article) as the official state backed national Church in Lodamun. Although this will mean that Lodamun has a State Church, it will not have a negative effect on the relationship between the state and non-C of L religious groups, nor will the state offer any financial benefits to the C of L. However we feel that the time is appropriate to recognise the role of religion in our nation, and therefore we propose that the largest Church in Lodamun will thus be recognised as the official national Church.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date21:50:24, July 28, 2008 CET
FromHoly Eliyahu Confession
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
Messagethe Reform Nationalists are proud to support this legislation. As a party with strong religious convictions, we feel the Church of Lodamun is a inevitable and welcomes conglomeration of faith in this nation.

Date21:50:56, July 28, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageOOC: The only problem I have with your news report is that you claim that half of our population is religious (which they are) but just because they are religious, it doesn't mean they are Christians. They can be religious but not Christians so I think your claim of about half of our populatin being Christian is kind of exaggerated.

Date21:54:02, July 28, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageThe government cannot favor ANY religion. We have no problem with having religions in our country, in fact, we encourage them. Now, if the government classifies a religion as "State Religion" that is, without a doubt, favoring one religion over another, thus discriminating other religions. This might be (we are not saying it will) the beginning of state-sponsored religious persecution in Lodamun. Therefore, we strongly oppose.

Date05:44:33, July 29, 2008 CET
FromHoly Eliyahu Confession
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageThere already is party-sponsored discrimination in the form of your parties bills which attack faith in this nation. I see the national church as a counterbalance to this.

Date20:07:54, July 29, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageWe are going to be very clear and will say this only once, we do not discriminate against any religions, we are members of religions ourselves, we are seculars, we believe religion is not above anything and anyone, especially the State and its citizens. We believe that a clear separation of State and Church is needed. You comments about us attacking faith are simply innacurate.

Date13:42:26, July 31, 2008 CET
FromDemocrats
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
Messageooc: Secular people can be religious too, I'd say probably close to 70% of the population nominally belong to a religious group. Whether they are committed, or believe in a close relationship between the state and the Church is a different matter.

Date13:46:35, July 31, 2008 CET
FromDemocrats
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageDammit, missed the timeline, apologies.

Date21:03:29, July 31, 2008 CET
FromWorking Families Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageIt's okay, it would have failed. Hopefully we'll be able to gain a majority between the three of us.

Date17:30:57, August 02, 2008 CET
FromCollectivist Party of Lodamun
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageROC opposes this imposition of the Church on the people. Instead, ROC will propose that the people impose restrictions on the Church.

Date20:02:08, August 02, 2008 CET
FromDemocrats
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageThe Church isn't being imposed. Membership is voluntary, and the state will not contribute anything financially to the national Church.

Date21:50:28, August 02, 2008 CET
FromThe Liberal Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageROC is referring to something called "Separation of State and Church", correct?

Date22:32:08, August 02, 2008 CET
FromWorking Families Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessagePossibly.

Date22:32:40, August 02, 2008 CET
FromWorking Families Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageHowever, we have no such tradition here in Lodamun, nor is such a concept enshrined in our Constitution. As such, this argument is irrelevant.

Date06:58:35, August 03, 2008 CET
FromLodamun Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Church Establishment Bill
MessageWell there is no tradition in our nation or consepct enshrined in our constitution of a state church eather, so its all up to ideology, and ROCs argument is not irrelevant

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
    

Total Seats: 73

no
  

Total Seats: 41

abstain
 

Total Seats: 36


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