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Bill: Religious Salary Payment Act

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Liberty Party

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2617

Description^[?]:

This act will allow us to set the salaries of religious people but the religious community bears the responsibility of paying their leaders.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.

Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.

Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.

Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	06:53:19, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Why should their pay be regulated at all? If you're going to leave it to the communities, then they should be able to pay whatever they want. No, the reason we have it paid by the state is, like councillors and psychologists, they provide a service to people.

Date	12:23:33, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Four words: Separation of Church and State.

Date	12:28:25, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Actually that's five words, but there you go. And yet you want to regulate religious ministers' salaries? How does that mesh with your "unique" interpretation of the separation of church and state.

Date	12:33:42, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	We are not going to upset the apple cart in one fair swoop. We are gradually going in that direction. You have to slowly do it.

Date	12:44:10, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Well no, you can just change from "paying salaries" to, get this, "not paying salaries". It's quite easy really.

Date	12:50:28, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Except that we are not paying their salaries if this passes.

Date	12:59:34, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	But the government will still regulate them. Ministers provide a service to citizens similar to that that a counsellor of psychologist would provide. We fund the latter, and so should we fund the former, to provide our people with a choice in who to turn to for psychological help.

Date	13:12:22, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Regulating salaries and paying them are two seperate things entirely.

Date	13:13:49, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Both are involving the government in their affairs. They are quite equivalent in terms of state involvement.

Date	13:22:25, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Hence why we are doing what we are doing.

Date	13:29:51, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Ministers still provide a useful health service, that is enough reason there.

Date	17:27:54, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	No it is not enough of a reason.

Date	23:25:38, July 29, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Of course it is. We feel the wellbeing of our citizens must come first. You apparently don't.

Date	13:30:38, July 31, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	It matters more to us than it does to you.

Date	14:41:18, July 31, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Which is why you wish to deprive them of services.

Date	03:54:26, August 05, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Nice try with fear.

Date	03:56:15, August 05, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Of course, you would also want to abolish state healthcare and state education, so at least you're consistent with abolishing services.

Date	05:11:12, August 05, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Uh...we have not tried to abolish state education. We want to allow for homeschooling.

Date	23:38:57, August 05, 2008 CET
From	Liberty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Separation of Church and State reign Supreme.

Date	04:14:03, August 06, 2008 CET
From	Judicial Union Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	Look forward to more crazies on the streets.

Date	05:21:15, August 06, 2008 CET
From	Hello Kitty Party
To	Debating the Religious Salary Payment Act
Message	You mean you do not have the monopoly?

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Total Seats: 261

Judicial Union Party (165)
Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists (30)

Total Seats: 195

abstain

Tukarali Graenix Party (44)

Total Seats: 44

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