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Bill: Child Reforms
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Conservative Union (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2620
Description[?]:
| For the good of all children. 1) We should provide for all our children the education that is vital for those in their early years. However if people wish for a different type of education, they can still send them to a private school. 2) You can never make a child do anything, but you can get them to show at least some respect to our anthem. 3) Children should never be allowed to work. The workforce is for the adults. Children should be in school learning about our glorious Empire and great knowledge that will aid them in the careers they decided to go into. We must not allow our children to be used by those that are only looking for cheap labor. By working, I mean factories and such. It does not include paper rounds, weekend shop work, apprenticeships, cadetships, kids washing their neighbors' cars. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Current: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Proposed: Child labour is forbidden.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government leaves the pre-school education policy to local governments.
Current: The government leaves the pre-school education policy to local governments.
Proposed: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside unregulated private establishments.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Current: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:10:34, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Neo-Imperial Peoples Vanguard Party (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I'd agree with much of this, except for the attachment of publically owned pre-schools, children don't need pre-school that should be a parent's personal choice and it should be a private matter. They can figure the program out better. It should be up to the local government, none the less, how regulated the private ones are, that is how it has been and it has worked. I yield. |
| Date | 00:19:22, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We would echo the sentiment of the Hon Member for the NIPVP. We differ, however, in that we see no need for government regulation of private institutions whatsoever. The private sector already runs the finest schools in the empire for the very reason that they are outside of government interference: the same should apply to nurseries. |
| Date | 00:21:54, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Neo-Imperial Peoples Vanguard Party (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I was simply stating a compromise, because indeed, I do not believe in a young child working in a factory, that should be outlawed as it would be in any well-off nation deserving respect. I yield. |
| Date | 00:33:41, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, If I think we should have public preschool for those that can not afford the private, but I will make it unregulated. The reason though that I felt some regulation was needed, was to make sure that they were teaching the children at least up to a certain level so they would be ready for primary school. I yield. |
| Date | 00:43:09, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, "Child Labour" also includes paper rounds, weekend shop work, apprenticeships, cadetships, kids washing their neighbours' cars. Is it really necessary to outlaw all of these things? Minors should enjoy additional protection to that granted to adult workers, but should also have the right to work. |
| Date | 00:48:01, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Neo-Imperial Peoples Vanguard Party (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | OOC: Child Labor laws in this game make no sense... their very vague. They really need more worker reforms. IC: Mr. Speaker, Indeed, they should, but we need to have to do something against children in the factories, not simply get a protection that workers have. I yield. |
| Date | 00:56:21, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | OOC: I agree for now I see the child labour as factory workers. Yet see the paper rounds, weekend shop work, apprenticeships, cadetships as not child labour. So that is why I choose just to outlaw it. Maybe we should suggest to the mods to make it more clear. |
| Date | 01:27:09, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Neo-Imperial Peoples Vanguard Party (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | OOC: Agreed. You could make it more endowed in your description. |
| Date | 01:30:30, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We would still view this as an unnecessary restriction on the Luthori Army from being able to recruit sixteen year olds into the Army Foundation College and, as such, must vote nay. |
| Date | 01:47:08, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, How would that be child labour, if it is a college then they are at school, a military school, but a school none the less. |
| Date | 01:48:21, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Neo-Imperial Peoples Vanguard Party (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I find myself in full agreement, a military school is none the less a school. I yield. |
| Date | 02:06:11, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Army Foundation College is not a school: it takes on recruits passing out of basic training who are not yet old enough to serve with their units on operations and gives them further specific-to-arms training – such as infantry tactics, armoured warfare, artillery trades, &c: they aren't there for maths, English and sport. The "students" at AFC are trained soldiers, and are paid as such, but are too young to fight. |
| Date | 03:04:31, August 08, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, A military school with special classes is what we can call it. If they pass the qualifications test to get in, then they do not need to take math and English anymore, for they know enough to live a good life. They can still be paid, and it could be said the money is used to help them go to a university of their choice when they are old enough to go to one. I yield. |
| Date | 01:23:03, August 09, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, These people aren't candidates for university: they're sixteen and seventeen year old school leavers who join the army. Instead of allowing them to become bored in rear echelon postings until they come of age the army takes advantage of the opportunity to give them extra training. |
| Date | 06:11:17, August 09, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Then we could have their money be put into an account that they can not touch until they are adults. In the mean time they are paid for by the state. That includes room and dinning. |
| Date | 13:39:07, August 09, 2008 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We would lose thousands of valuable recruits, year on year, if school leavers can't be be paid by the army until they come of age. |
| Date | 00:35:26, August 10, 2008 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Child Reforms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The College should still be teaching them then. The College should yes offer them the training, but our soldiers must be the most brilliant soldiers in Terra. The paying can begin when they come of age, and many boys will still come for they know that if they get in, it will not only be a great honor, but they will get paid well as soon as they turn of age, great schooling, and will be at the peak in physical fitness and military skills. I don't believe that this should even be considered a job, but simply a specialty school that our young soldiers of the future can join to speed their dreams of serving the military as an officer faster. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 117 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 70 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 13 |
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