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Bill: Military Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2632
Description[?]:
| now that the defense budget has been increased and we have activated troops in Migadon, we must support pacifism. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns all defence industries.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:36:34, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Telamonese Communist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | We are opposed to Article 2, but support Articles 1 and 3 as a means towards making the world a safer place and encourage other governments to adopt less belligerant policies. Albert Brocklehurst (General Secretary of the Telamonese Communist Party) |
| Date | 07:59:03, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | This is the most sensible piece of legislation we've seen yet this session. Daunte Woodson Chairman Democratic Capitalist Delegation |
| Date | 01:20:39, September 03, 2008 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | We do not see this as encouraging pacifism in any way shape or form, it is a merely reducing our deteterent which puts our men and women at risk who would be the ones having to fend of any attack. This bill is damaging to our national security and we will fight to repeal this bill within the next session. Mark Finnan, Defence Minister. |
| Date | 22:18:56, September 03, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Too bad Mark, it passed. Daunte Woodson Chairman Democratic Capitalist Delegation |
| Date | 14:57:40, September 05, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Yes, Mr Woodson, unlike you on your IQ test. Stefan Barna RRP |
| Date | 03:16:51, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | I don't think you fail or pass an IQ test. You just get a number. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LSP |
| Date | 22:44:04, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | It would be failure to me to get an IQ under 100. I just adressed Mr Woodson as rudely as he adressed Mr Finnan. Please, Mr Woodson, we do not need another Nozick here! Stefan Barna RRP |
| Date | 17:36:08, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Woodson has been the leader of the Democratic Capitalist Delegation for quite some time know, and surely the RRP must note that Mr. Woodson speaks his mind, and is not afraid of insulting those across the political spectrum in support of his beliefs. Insulting Mr. Woodson after the bill has passed, when nobody will look, is an act of cowardice. I am not calling you cowardly sir, but if you hold a grudge with Mr. Woodson, you should speak to him directly. I have no problem with the RRP or Mr. Barna, but I do believe that we should not insult people during or after a bill in the bill's debate, to try to maintain sanity in the legislative session. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LSP |
| Date | 17:37:07, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | *****Sorry, Mr. Woodson is not afraid of insulting those across the political spectrum in conflict with his beliefs. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LSP |
| Date | 10:55:59, September 08, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Mr Woodson said "Too bad Mark, it passed." which, at first, has an unpleasant tone of irony. On the logical explanation of Mr Finnan, he just says "Too bad Mark, it passed.". And in that sentence he addresses Mr Finnan by his name. Now is that impolite or impolite? And about that "quite some time now" Mr Hardie, the RRP is going to have it 100th anniversary soon, and yet still even the DCD is younger than our party, and not even to talk about your party. Maybe you are just an eloquent Mr Nozick, are you not? Stefan Barna |
| Date | 16:51:55, September 08, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | You have just talked for "quite some time now" and you have said nothing. Yes, the remark made my Mr. Woodson was, I agree, very impolite. It doesn't change the fact that Mr. Woodson will be impolite whenever he wants, because he strongly believes in the politics he presents. I know full well that the RRP will have it's 100th anniversary soon, which is strengthening my case. You have been in politics longer, you have seen Mr. Woodson his whole career. You must know that his impolite gestures have not been restricted to this Military Reform Act, and you should stop condemning him for being impolite. There is no law that prohibits being impolite. There is, however, a law that allows someone to sue for falsehoods spoke about them, and Mr. Barna came dangerously close to being sued, by saying Mr. Woodson failed an IQ test. Also, I do not know who Mr. Nozick is. Perhaps the ancient and glorious RRP could give us a little more information on Mr. Nozick. Surely that would be appreciated by the LSP, a party that has done little compared to the historic and monumental work that the RRP has accomplished in it's 100 year history. Oh, a little more info Mr. Barna, what I just said wasn't only an unpleasant, impolite tone, but it was also impolite and utterly rude sarcasm. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LSP |
| Date | 10:29:50, September 09, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | God will be the judge of that, Mr Hardie, he will. Please, ask Mr Woodson to explain you who Mr. Nozick was. About that "sued" thing, do you not know that PMs have immunity? And if I you propose a bill that will take away my immunity, I will accept and I will defend on court the People of Telamon! It is from their pockets from which we get wages, and quite large amount, that is. And what do we do here, we talk like we are on the street and admit that as an insult, and yet again, we get paid. Maybe that "We" should be separated into "us" and "you". Stefan Barna RRP |
| Date | 16:18:59, September 09, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | What immunity do you speak of Mr. Barna. You are not the Prime Minister of anything. I do not understand where this information comes from. Also, in the Sexual Freedom Act, you have implied that Mr. Woodson wants to have sexual relationships with animals. If that is not an insult, I do not know what is. You say you are so high and mighty, separating "us" and "you" as if you are divine and we are the lowly peasants. We are all politicians Mr. Barna. We fight tooth and nail for our own beliefs, and in doing so we sometimes insult one another. I take more offense to your insults about Mr. Woodson than his supposed irony of "Too bad Mark, it passed." You called Mr. Woodson stupid, and later implied that he would want to have sexual relations with animals. It is the RRP who is insulting to the nation of Telamon. You preach your high ideals, but say the most disrespectful things out of any of us. It is the RRP and Mr. Barna who are disgracing Telamonese politics with their horrid speech and false accusations. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LSP |
| Date | 20:19:31, September 09, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | I can really debunk your every train of thought. Just for Mr Woodson to know, I said "I see a hidden wish behind this", and, may I remind you, it is not the DCD who proposed that bill. I concede from this dialog, and I have proven my point. If you do not know of Parliament Member Immunity, that you must have a diploma from Arts and Crafts. The wiser withdraws, as my people say. I withdraw. And, oh, yes, just to inform you, you are officialy from now a Persona Non-Grata of the RRP. Stefan Barna RRP |
| Date | 23:56:41, September 09, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | Show me the law that states that members of the Telamonese Parliament have immunity from being sued. Keir Hardie Chairman of the LLP |
| Date | 11:00:04, September 10, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: I cannot show you it here in particracy because there is no such thing to mention. In RW Countries, who are our source of inspiration on this game, there exists something that is "Parliamentary Immunity", see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity It is present in a majority of countries, but it can be taken away. But now we know. |
| Date | 16:24:32, September 10, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Yeah but I was just saying strictly in the Particracy world. And I mean, how is a fake politician going to be sued by a fake law firm anyways. It would be a boring RP. |
| Date | 22:13:33, September 10, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Yet there is something as a PM Immunity |
| Date | 18:25:49, September 11, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: yes but it's not a law in particracy so i was saying that in the fake particracy world someone could sue you, because in Telamon there is no law that guarantees parliamentary immunity. |
| Date | 19:43:09, September 11, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: But there is no way you could sue me, if you look at it that way. You can't propose a bill suing me. |
| Date | 19:52:57, September 11, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Military Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: yeah obviously. it would be an action taken by a fake law firm and fake Mr Woodson against fake Mr Barna. i guess if you really wanted to you could RP it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 282 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 219 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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