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Bill: PC - Separation of powers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Republican Coalition
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2634
Description[?]:
| We, the Patriciate Coalition, have learnt from the mistakes of the past, mistakes which placed untold power in the hands of the few, to the despair of the many. This bill will rectify an issue which has gone unchecked for so long. 1. For the army to be deployed, there must be a unanimous support from the Head of State, the Minister of Defence and the Minister of the area necissary (Foreign or Interior). 2. In addition to the above, two thirds of the legislature must support the action. 3. The Head of State has no power upon any citizen other then is deemed necissary for the protection of the state. 4. The Head of State MAY oppose and remove the Head of Government, but may not appoint his own. 5. The Head of State MAY be removed from office and succeeded by his nearest relative as Emperor or Regent following support by the Head of Government, Minister of Justice and two thirds of the legislature. This may only be effected if the Head of State is deemed incapable of using his or her powers with the best intentions for the state. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:46:24, September 02, 2008 CET | From |  Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | This would amend the standing constitution and therefore need a 2/3 majority to pass. |
| Date | 02:22:52, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | We understand this |
| Date | 16:33:30, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Is there any actual opposition to this? |
| Date | 19:03:47, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | The KHP ad likely the rest of the conservatives parties. |
| Date | 21:18:09, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Reasons to give? |
| Date | 23:43:06, September 02, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Utter lunacy isn't enough? |
| Date | 00:38:25, September 03, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Do you have a reason or is that enough for you? |
| Date | 04:35:13, September 04, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative's Party | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | See I told you that the PC wish to depose the Emporer. They wish to create a puppet Emporer who bows to their will. |
| Date | 14:31:37, September 04, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | We suffered enough words crammed into our mouths under our forefathers, speak for yourselves not us. We do not wish to depose the emperor, we simply wish to have more executive power placed with the legislature, to prevent abuse of power. Can comone please have some constructive criticisim so that this may be formed into a compromise? |
| Date | 16:35:18, September 04, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative's Party | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Executive power placed with the legistlature? You yourself have said many times that the Emporer has no power. Why back a powerless Emporer into a corner? Because you wish to rule. And no "Does anyone have any real critisim." That's your way of deflecting our arguments and not having to answer them. |
| Date | 22:34:30, September 04, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | There havn't been any arguments to answer, only accusations. The Emperor has huge amounts of power in this nation, please show where we refuted that. The difference is that he should not. This is what this bill is for. |
| Date | 22:57:38, September 04, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | "You are the ones seeking to change an ancient arrangement. The burden of proof is, clearly, on you. You have thusfar failed to convince me, and by the sound of things, most of my colleagues that this change would be even remotely beneficial, much less necessary enough to merit a constitutional amendment. Perhaps, as I strongly suspect, this is because you have no real reason for this change." -Nicolaas van der Burgh Chairman of the HNP DM for Hennersdam Centre HNP Spokesman for Finance |
| Date | 01:21:56, September 05, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | We have made out reasons clear above, it is becoming clearer still that no one cares to read them. Give one, a single convincing argument, other then "this is how it's always been" and we will leave this bill and cancel it |
| Date | 03:50:31, September 05, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | "Your 'reasons' are that you are concerned that possibly at some distant point in the unforeseeable future an Emperor might possibly do something that could possibly be deemed undesirable. That's not enough to amend the highest and most sacred law of our country. I'd also point out that Article(?) 4 actually increases the power of the Emperor as presently only the legislature has the power to appoint and dismiss ministers. Either way, your unmerited concerns based on irrational fears are not enough to convince me to support your radically restructuring of the Hulstrian political system as you see fit." -Nicolaas van der Burgh Chairman of the HNP DM for Hennersdam Centre HNP Spokesman for Finance |
| Date | 14:24:46, September 05, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | Unmerited concerns? Irrational fears? We are afraid the HNP, for all it's pride history, clearly has been blinkered to the going ons in this nation. The Emperor has repeatedly over the years called upon the military, and that is a situation which can only cause concern for the future. Articles 4 and 5 were designed to oppose one another, a compromise yet again. They are set in such a way that the Monarch still has a say in the ruling of the state, but that if deemed incapable of rule himself, can be removed for one more able. |
| Date | 02:44:04, September 08, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the PC - Separation of powers |
| Message | As debate seems to have stalled, this is being pushed forward to the fore for further comments on improvements which may be made. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 324 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 241 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 85 |
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