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Bill: Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2119
Description[?]:
| We see the majority of the problems concerning religion in our country to be due to the fact that the central government is trying to impose it's ideals on local governments, and bypassing the will of the people for the will of their own leadership. We propose that each Dominion be allowed to decide for itself laws regarding religion, so that the people ultimatly get what they want. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state has the right to veto the appointment of any ministers of religion.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Proposed: The remuneration of ministers of religion shall be left up to the local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:10:24, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | We cannot allow dominions to become theocratic, and thus making the commonwealth theocratic. Religious fundamentalism, whatever the religion, is wrong, and cannot be allowed. |
| Date | 05:10:26, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | We cannot allow dominions to become theocratic, and thus making the commonwealth theocratic. Religious fundamentalism, whatever the religion, is wrong, and cannot be allowed. |
| Date | 14:28:33, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | But it is the will of the people if they decide to be theocratic. Of course, the dominions most likely will not, but we must give them the choice. Who do you think is better to decide: The people, or the big-wigs in Sondavita? |
| Date | 14:42:37, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | Neither! |
| Date | 14:44:02, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | At least Geharon will stay secular. If Geharon ever gains independence, I am going to move my party to there. It is the most sane of the dominions. |
| Date | 15:18:22, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | But it's so BORING in Geharon, if you think about it. I mean, how fun is it to be a party representing a people that goes "We're pretty much indifferent on everything, and we like having good relations with our neighbors, but all we REALLY want to do is sit around and have BBQ's all year". |
| Date | 15:30:07, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | What is wrong with BBQs. You can have steak, sausages, toast, onions, fish, shrimps, and prawns. Add some salads, sauce, and soft drinks, and you can party or watch sport. BBQs are a national passtime where I am from. |
| Date | 21:51:34, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | There's nothing wrong with BBQ's. I like 'em myself. But there's more to life than BBQ's! |
| Date | 21:58:47, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | This is more theocratic than the current legislation! |
| Date | 22:01:22, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | This is not theocratic! This is letting the PEOPLE decide what they want. |
| Date | 22:10:55, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | It's giving the state the option to interfere with the church, which at the moment it doesn't. |
| Date | 22:24:22, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | "But there's more to life than BBQ's!" YOU LIE! NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| Date | 00:59:12, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | Ahem? You're party supported an effort to make only Christians citizens of Luthori. You'd rather the Church interfere in the State than the State interfere in the church? |
| Date | 06:24:38, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | You have only just realised that? |
| Date | 08:32:09, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Leave Religious Decisions to Local Governments |
| Message | There was a clear party political advantage in that: if only Christians could vote, who who they be likely to vote for? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 201 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 375 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 174 |
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