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Bill: Elimination of Federal Waste
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2639
Description[?]:
| These things are NOT matters of the federal government, and should be completely left up to local governments. And this will have to be passed to go along with our spending bill. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but the government subsidises the cost of it for all citizens.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: Local governments decide about healthcare policies
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: Education is private, but the government subsidises the cost of it for everyone
Current: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Proposed: Education is a matter of local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:51:43, September 16, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | We fervently support - these policies are among those that the ONP hold most important. |
| Date | 10:01:00, September 16, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | Once again, abstention - we will not allow anybody we can save from socialism to be entrapped in it, nor will we continue the lower socialism. |
| Date | 21:07:49, September 16, 2008 CET | From | Party | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | In other words, you support the federal government going into debt. The current law states that the federal government gives subsidies to those who cannot afford education, but our spending bill proposing to complete eliminate anyform of federal spending on education, and you voted yes for that. Do the sons of liberty have a secret agenda? |
| Date | 00:19:11, September 17, 2008 CET | From | National Bolshevik Party | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | If you didn't want to go into debt you shouldn't of cut our already meager taxes. |
| Date | 03:05:00, September 17, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | The Sons of Liberty call this legislation 'socialism'? How is it anything of the sort? Allowing local governments to raise revenue to fund public schools is hardly symptomatic of socialism. We are not suggesting that all private schools be eliminated. At the same time, we do not believe we should give up on our public schools, and we do not oppose all public institutions on the grounds of the the ultra-capitalist ideology that the Sons of Liberty seem to subscribe to. We certainly do not advocate 'socialism', nor does the TCP, and we are insulted by this suggestion. We are a party of fervent anti-Communism, anti-Socialism and anti-Marxism in general. |
| Date | 05:08:03, September 17, 2008 CET | From | National Bolshevik Party | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | When one defines socialism as not laissez-faire capitalism then we're all reds...:-P |
| Date | 08:34:58, September 17, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | The NFP put it well - the SoL label this legislation 'socialist' because it does not concur with their ultra-libertarian ideology. But this legislation is far from socialism and anything of the sort. This legislation stands for federalism, state's rights and limitations on the size and power of federal government - all of these ends stand in stark contrast to socialism. The SoL claim they want to free everyone from 'socialism', but of what socialism do they speak? As far as we are aware there is not a single party that would support this legislation who does not fervently oppose communism in all of its forms. It is not a radical proposal, and it is not a leftist proposal. If there is any part that opposes socialism in this country it is the One Nation Party, so the SoL can rest assured - we are most certianly not a Marxist party somehow masquerading as a right-wing conservative populist party, as they seem to imply. |
| Date | 10:51:35, September 17, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | Socialism by our definition is taxing the populace to pay for government-run programs. Anything that works in this system is, in one form or another, socialized. Even the slightest government taxpayer-paid healthcare is partially-socialized healthcare. Taxpayer-funded schools are socialized-schools. This is simply the definition we go by. By relegating these laws to local governments, some local governments may see fit to fully socialize their school systems. In doing so, the poor saps living in the school district are forced to pay. We won't stand for this when we can prevent it. |
| Date | 21:31:31, September 17, 2008 CET | From | Party | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | We oppose the ridiculous ideas of the sons liberty of vulture-capitalism, which in other words means, big business's and corporations are our government, and they rule us. Which is just a non-government form of tyranny. And will in effect, lead the government to tryanny to as these large corporations will be in bed with, and influence the government. Yet the sons of liberty say they vote against this legislation to "reduce socialism". Knowing full well that we and ONP are the most ferverntly anti-communist, anti-socialist, and anti-marxist parties in this nation. And the SOL failed to respond to our comment regarding debt. |
| Date | 22:09:55, September 17, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | We won't go into debt because by law, we spend within our budget. If our budget does not have money to education, then we spend nothing and no subsidies go out. This is opposed to budgeting more money than we have in income, which then would create the debt that the TCP speaks of. |
| Date | 01:39:00, September 18, 2008 CET | From | Party | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | And you have nothing to say of the vulture-capitalism and corporate fascism that you propose? |
| Date | 02:56:55, September 18, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Elimination of Federal Waste |
| Message | Jesus Christ, every little thing. Corporations won't be able to get in bed with the government and influence it if the government has no power, no regulation, and no strength. Corporatism will therefore be regulated by the clients and customers, just as a government is meant to be regulated by its population, with the government only existing to have a judicial system of mediation that will be impartial and to ensure that individual liberties won't be trampled, uphold property rights and contract out military. Corporations that mistreat will lose employees an business to a company that stands by good conduct. Prices will not inflate thanks to competition. Competition is the only way that things will naturally self-regulate without fail. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 61 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 90 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 114 |
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