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Bill: Freedom Of Speech
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2124
Description[?]:
| Ads are not speech which needs protection. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy on advertising
Old value:: Only advertising that meets certain set standards is permitted.
Current: All advertising is permitted.
Proposed: All advertising is prohibited.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:40:34, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | What a bizzare turnabout by the PP... first the PP bans advertising, now it wants to allow all advertising. The PP goes from one extreme to the other.... I suppose the extreme of allowing unregulated ads.. including prostitution ads, cigarrette ads, alcohol ads.. during prime time when children may be watching is far preferable than the other extreme of outright banning free speech. The MDP believes there is always middle ground somewhere... but if the PP believes that strongly in this bill, the MDP will vote for it. |
| Date | 23:04:09, October 03, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | We offer this up as most feel that advertising is an issue of free speech. If this is true it should not be restricted, if not then we return to the issue of why allow it at all. We personally am not convinced it is an issue of free speech, thus we are interested in hearing this issue. |
| Date | 00:28:22, October 04, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | We're firmly opposed to this, especially having been swayed by the PP's earlier arguments for banning advertising entirely. |
| Date | 09:30:40, October 04, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | The MDP enters this into the record: "The commercial marketplace, like other spheres of our social and cultural life, provides a forum where ideas and information flourish. Some of the ideas and information are vital, some of slight worth. But the general rule is that the speaker and the audience, not the government, assess the value of the information presented. Thus, even a communication that does no more than propose a commercial transaction is entitled to the coverage of" free speech. OOC: This is a quote from the US Supreme court from 1993: http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archives/17/freespeech.html |
| Date | 01:35:52, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | Unfortunately this US supreme court that the MDP quotes can not be found in any judicial review in Malivia. |
| Date | 01:36:18, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | OOC: sorry missed the OOC |
| Date | 02:18:59, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | The exchange of ideas does not occur in ads. Ads are a method of a product to gain market share. |
| Date | 18:22:44, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | The concept and creation of a product is by itself an idea. Advertising that idea is exchange of ideas. The MDP suggests either putting this bill to a vote, or deleting it. |
| Date | 04:21:17, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | Advertizing a product does not exchange the idea behind the product, rather it compels one to buy into the black box presented. |
| Date | 14:53:00, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | If people feel that advertising is that bad, they are free to change the channel, or ignore the ads in question. Believe it or not, some people appreciate ads, because it helps them to decide on what choices to buy for their needs and wants. And Malivia needs to be a haven for the free flow of buying and selling of ideas. This proposal is throwing Malivia into a fascist state where the freedom to sell your idea to the public is now banned, and the private economy is going to suffer drastically. In short, its communism, although I doubt communists entirely banned ads. Malivia overturned the law banning advertising several years ago, because most didn't buy the PP's argument that advertising isn't free speech. If this law is passed banning the free flow of ideas, the MDP is going to subject every future session with the same bill overturning this one. If you don't like ads, then don't watch them. Don't dare to presume that everyone else shares the enthusiasm for stifling a major part of a free economy, for that matter.. of any economy, to the point where people are thrown into jail for advertising that they're having a neighborhood block sale, or that Jane Doe wants to sell off some puppies. |
| Date | 14:58:21, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | I'm not done yet blasting this POS bill. Upon review of the worldwide differences, the MDP finds the following: ZERO nations.. have their laws set to banning advertising. TWO nations have laws set to "Only governmental organisation advertising is permitted" These two nations are: Socialist Commonwealth of New Endralon-who is run primarily by fascists and communists Republic of Deltaria-Which was at one time run entirely by communists. Now.. I point to the PP again.. do you really dare to push Malivia to the point where we make fascists and communists tolerant by comparison when it comes to the free flow of ideas?? |
| Date | 16:38:51, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | "Believe it or not, some people appreciate ads, because it helps them to decide on what choices to buy for their needs and wants. And Malivia needs to be a haven for the free flow of buying and selling of ideas." Thus the creation of independent reviewers who give the pros and cons of a product of service. Naturally, people will need information on what service to purchase. This need will not change. It will instead create a new industry of reviewers. Thus people will make informed decisions on what to do with their money, not give it to the company that can hire the most famous, sexy, smooth talking or funniest star to hype their product. "Malivia overturned the law banning advertising several years ago, because most didn't buy the PP's argument that advertising isn't free speech." Yet above the MDP felt that it should be regulated, thus removing the free speech argument. Unless the MDP feels that our citizens do not have a right to free speech, the regulated option is not an option. Thus we have either no ads (not free speech) or all ads (free speech). All ads means " prostitution ads, cigarrette ads, alcohol ads.. during prime time when children may be watching" as the MDP pointed out. |
| Date | 20:09:50, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | I'm going to point this out a second time, since the PP conveniently ignored addressing it. You can argue all you want whether you think ads should be regulated, and most nations have laws that regulate their ads. Freedom of speech is not a black and white issue, there is some grey area, particularily when the speech causes physical or reputation harm, which is why there are laws against libel. We've been down this road with the PP before... and still find their thought-process on speech to be quite bizzare. So, again.. I'd like a yes or no answer from the PP.. does the PP strongly believe that we should become the first ever nation to ban advertising, making fascist and communist nations more tolerant than Malivia on the subject of ads, and making every other nation on the planet more tolerant than the two fascist/communist nations? Just a yes or no answer will do, PP. ------------------ Upon review of the worldwide differences, the MDP finds the following: ZERO nations.. have their laws set to banning advertising. TWO nations have laws set to "Only governmental organisation advertising is permitted" These two nations are: Socialist Commonwealth of New Endralon-who is run primarily by fascists and communists Republic of Deltaria-Which was at one time run entirely by communists. Now.. I point to the PP again.. do you really dare to push Malivia to the point where we make fascists and communists tolerant by comparison when it comes to the free flow of ideas?? |
| Date | 20:24:52, October 10, 2005 CET | From | United Labour Party | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | Once again, I would probably have voted against but MDP was rude and compared communism to fascism, so FOR. |
| Date | 02:19:30, October 11, 2005 CET | From | none | To | Debating the Freedom Of Speech |
| Message | I'm going to point this out a second time, since the PP conveniently ignored addressing it. You can argue all you want whether you think ads should be regulated, and most nations have laws that regulate their ads. Freedom of speech is not a black and white issue, there is some grey area, particularily when the speech causes physical or reputation harm, which is why there are laws against libel. We've been down this road with the PP before... and still find their thought-process on speech to be quite bizzare. So, again.. I'd like a yes or no answer from the PP.. does the PP strongly believe that we should become the first ever nation to ban advertising, making fascist and communist nations more tolerant than Malivia on the subject of ads, and making every other nation on the planet more tolerant than the two fascist/communist nations? Just a yes or no answer will do, PP. ------------------ Upon review of the worldwide differences, the MDP finds the following: ZERO nations.. have their laws set to banning advertising. TWO nations have laws set to "Only governmental organisation advertising is permitted" These two nations are: Socialist Commonwealth of New Endralon-who is run primarily by fascists and communists Republic of Deltaria-Which was at one time run entirely by communists. Now.. I point to the PP again.. do you really dare to push Malivia to the point where we make fascists and communists tolerant by comparison when it comes to the free flow of ideas?? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
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Total Seats: 65 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 17 | ||||
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