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Bill: Repealing Act!

Details

Submitted by[?]: Telamon National Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2654

Description[?]:

We call on the parties of this Parliament to repeal the following bills:

1st Bill: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=200381 (repealed by 2nd bill)
2nd bill: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=200905

These bills are a waste of time and will be ruled by partisan politics, as the courts will not act on them (OCC: the game doesn't allow it) and therefore they are a pointless waste of time for this parliament to have to deal with. Any attempts to use these acts have failed and there is no record of a successful prosecution.

Also as we have seen they are an attack on organisations, political movement and parties to protect themselves from militant elements that are opposed to them.

Margaret Jones,
TNP Leader.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date21:18:14, October 16, 2008 CET
FromDemocratic Capitalist Delegation
ToDebating the Repealing Act!
MessageThe only attacking that we must be concerned about is political parties attacking one another and using armed personnel to intimidate and manipulate voters, and the only reason to worry about that is if we repeal this bill. The accusation by the TNP that this bill will be enforced along partisan lines is only true if it encourages its own allies to enforce it as such. For the members of Parliament who wish to look at the original voting on the bill, it should be noted that parties crossed partisan lines in order to support what they believed to be right. We have no reason to believe that enforcement cannot be nonpartisan in the future.

Also, in the language the TNP has used to support this bill, it can be seen that
- They eluded to the fact that the only reason for their acquittal has been due to "partisan politics," and not because of having adhered to the law
- They told a deliberate lie about the law, claiming that it is an attack on political organizations and movements to protect themselves, when in reality the law only applies to organizations which hold seats in Parliament and officially registered political parties. Even so, these organizations are not outlawed from hiring private security firms for protection at any political event or at any of their compounds.
- They claim that no record of a "successful prosecution" is reason by which to repeal the law, when in reality it simply shows that parties have been adhering to the law, with the exception of the TNP who has decided to flex its political muscle rather than follow Telamon's laws.
- They cite "militant elements that are against them" as a reason that parties need paramilitaries. This point in fact, serves as a highway into highlighting the exact reason that these laws are necessary.The most likely "militant element" that would make enemies with a political party would be the "militant element" of an opposing party. Eliminating paramilitaries under political parties also eliminates at least 95% of instances where it would be necessary to protect parties from "militant elements." The other 5% or so of cases would be rogue militant elements. Rogue militants are treated as terrorists, and therefore would be handled by the national military or special investigative bureaus, as they should be. Rogue militants would not only be a danger to the political party they oppose, but to general public safety. Therefore it would not be the role of the party to deal with it anyhow.

These words which the TNP uses just demonstrates to Parliament how they would like to abuse their paramilitaries if the law passes, which the only reason they cannot as of now abuse their paramilitary force is because it would become blatantly obvious that it is in fact a paramilitary force rather than a private security firm.

Members of Parliament, you will no doubt hear the TNP use words or phrases such as "stupid," "pointless," and "waste of time," many more times before the debate on the floor has concluded. However, 9 times out of 10 you will not see them offer a reason as to why the law is any of the above. If you view the original debate on the Formal Paramilitary Ban, you can see that the TNP offers no constructive arguments in opposition of this bill. This should lead us all to believe that the only possible reason for their opposition of this bill is a desire to abuse the powers of private political paramilitaries.

I must implore all parties of this Parliament, liberal and conservative alike, to see the value of what we had to work for years to implement, and the lasting domestic peace which it promises us.

Allegra Cabrazi
Chairperson
Democratic Capitalist Delegation

Date22:47:13, October 16, 2008 CET
FromTelamon National Party
ToDebating the Repealing Act!
MessageOh lets not be silly now, there is no examples of where voters have been intimidated at all. Infact the Security Division have not been anywhere near the voters during polling times. Security division have only protected party property and meetings as well as members on demonstrations, they are never in the general society and they don't even promote party policy or get involved in the political system.

As also stated this is a proper business that higher out their services to other businesses such as door men, bodyguards etc... which are hired on a private basis. Any organisation should have the right to protect themselves and employ the services of security.

These bills have put fear into the people by calling them 'paramilitary' when they are just a security division, if they were paramilitary they would be actively promoting party policy by force, no such thing has ever happened.

Also Allegra says that its more likely to promote militant activity if we repeal this bill when infact that is not true at all. Our people have still came under the same levels of attacks from far-left anti-Nationalist groups and pro-Muslim groups. Such groups don't affiliate themselves to political parties as it will give them parties a bad image, also a large number of them are Anarchists.

We have had incidents where pensioners have been seriously injured by such anti-TNP activists, however we have seen them reduced now due to the services of the Security Division stopping such people reaching our members and supporters.

Maybe the DCD and their allies want our people to be attacked to make people scared of joining our party?

Also is the Allegra accusing the TNP and myself especially of having plans to use illegal methods of intimidation?

Note that we have current laws in place to prevent any form of intimidation and attacks on citizens of our great nation.

Margaret Jones,
TNP Leader.

Date01:05:04, October 17, 2008 CET
FromDemocratic Capitalist Delegation
ToDebating the Repealing Act!
MessageLet us then assume that for the purposes of debate on this bill, that the "Telamon National Party Security Division" is in fact in no way associated with the Telamon National Party and is, as they claim, a private and independent security firm.

The fact that the TNP is able to successfully utilize this private firm for its protection against rogue militant elements proves that repealing the laws in effect for the purpose of the party's protection is in fact unnecessary. It is not the role of political parties to investigate, punish, or neutralize domestic terrorists, as rogue militants are, but rather official government agencies and institutions. Therefore the argument that parties should be allowed to maintain paramilitaries for protection against domestic terrorism is effectively null and void.

The TNP's claim that the minimization of paramilitary activity is unaffected by this bill is a blatant falsehood. When you allow some of the most powerful and well endowed organizations in the country to maintain active paramilitary forces, it is a guarantee that there will be an increase in paramilitary activity. The far left and muslim militant elements that you refer to are extremely few, and would make up 5% or less of the country's paramilitary population if this bill was repealed.

We are not accusing the TNP of any such underhanded plans, but rather are suggesting that it is difficult to conclude otherwise given the lack of substantiated arguments we have seen from them. It would seem however, that the TNP has made a very open ended accusation about the intentions of the DCD.

Just because paramilitaries have not been abused in the recent past does not mean there is an exceptional danger of abuse of power related to allowing the employment of paramilitary forces by political parties. A powerful party with a powerful paramilitary force would certainly be impervious to any laws barring them from intimidating or attacking citizens of this nation for political purposes, and this legislation is in place to ensure that such travesties will never happen.

Allegra Cabrazi
Chairperson
Democratic Capitalist Delegation

Date01:07:57, October 17, 2008 CET
FromDemocratic Capitalist Delegation
ToDebating the Repealing Act!
MessageAlso, it is worth noting that the TNP did not deny or refute the point that they told a deliberate lie about this bill, claiming it prevents parties from protecting themselves.

Allegra Cabrazi
Chairperson
Democratic Capitalist Delegation

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