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Bill: Welfare bill of 2120
Details
Submitted by[?]: Malivia Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2122
Description[?]:
| Providing time limits.. say 24 months on welfare benefits |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:21:53, October 04, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | The MDP believes the current law-coupled with no minimum wage.. as written discourages people from entering the work force. We believe supporting a minimum wage, and putting a time limit on welfare benefits will encourage people to find jobs. |
| Date | 02:16:12, October 05, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | So if they can't find a job we just let them starve? Or force them to turn to crime? |
| Date | 02:22:40, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | So if they dont want to work, we just let them mooch? |
| Date | 09:24:58, October 05, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | how about those who can't work due to various other demands, family, health, etc. |
| Date | 14:04:57, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | The MDP supports exceptions for the examples listed above. However, those are estimated to be a minority, less than 10% of the total unemployed. |
| Date | 01:46:05, October 06, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | What if there simply aren't enough jobs? If this bill passes, it will cause a major increase in crime rates. |
| Date | 04:00:35, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | Well, allowing people to work for themselves kind of fixes that problem. |
| Date | 15:10:26, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | How in the world will putting a time limit on welfare benefits lead to higher crime? Regardless if the person is being paid for doing nothing, or faces a time limit , doesn't change the fact that the person in question has alot of time on their hands. This is a gentle encouragement for them to seek jobs, and be productive members of society, and therefore, less likely to become part of the crime rate. |
| Date | 02:04:49, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | not so gentle in times of high unempoyment. |
| Date | 02:10:29, October 07, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Welfare bill of 2120 |
| Message | Crime isn't caused by people simply having a lot of time on their hands. It's caused by people not being able to feed their families, and having to steal to eat. Allowing people to work for themselves is all very well, but someone still has to pay them, so it only works if they have skills that happen to be in demand. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 28 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 58 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
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