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Bill: Lodamun Legionnaires
Details
Submitted by[?]: National People's Gang
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2122
Description[?]:
| A charitable agency shall be established to recruit and train young people from the ages of 17 to 27 to perform a full range of community services - at home and overseas. The first term - ie usually called the autumn term - after they leave school will be considered an extended educational period and will be spent learning basic first aid and emergency skills. At least one month of this period will be overseas. They will subsequently be able to volunteer to further their training and become Lodamun Legionnaires. Domestic duties of the Lodamun Legionnaires will include supervising crowd and traffic movements at major events of all kinds, to emergency first aid and paramedic services, fire prevention and firefighting in urban, suburban, rural and specialist environments, such as wildernesses, and including coastal, mountain and cave search and rescue operations. Duties overseas will include providing assistance to foreign agencies engaged in addressing natural or man-made disasters and environmental disasters. They will be trained in the use of necessary specialist equipment including competence in road, off-road, waterborne and airborne vehicles. As well as providing emergency support to medical, fire and coastal services in times of crisis, the Lodamun Legionnaires provides excellent opportunities for extending the skill and experiences of young people at home and overseas, and will promote comradeship and community responsibility. Upon leaving the Lodamun Legionnaires, recruits may become members of the Lodamun Legionnaires Volunteer Reserve until the age of 37 and will become LL trainers as well as providing additional support in times of dire need. As it is inappropriate for the country's military personnel to be deployed in a support role to the police, this act revokes and replaces the Emergency Actions Authorisation Act in all its elements. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:29:10, October 05, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | The military was never permitted to be used in place of police, but some emergencies, such as a major hurricane wiping out a major city, require action beyond what the local emergency services are capable of providing. So lets see... If we vote no, we have an all-volunteer army which the government is allowed to use in emergencies when there are no other options((such as what happened in New Orleans)). If we vote yes, we force every citizen to provide slave labor for 10 years of their life. Which we then make them pay for through taxes anyway. And in the event of a major emergency or natural disaster, the military is forbidden from taking action even if every other possible option has been exhausted. This is literally a no-brainer. |
| Date | 09:14:25, October 05, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | This does not prevent the army from being called on to give assistance in emergencies. They could be called upon to assist paramedics, ambulances, rescue operations. They could be called upon by the fire service, the coastguard, mountain rescue etc. These proposals merely prevent the armed forces from being deployed for policing purposes. |
| Date | 09:30:56, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | If this last statement can be conclusively proved, we would still vote against a draft(article 2). Article 1 may have merit, but we understand that it refers to serious emergencies, such as those requiring paramedics and rescue operations. If it simply refers to arbitrarily imposed martial law, that is a different matter. |
| Date | 13:47:21, October 05, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | The law, as it stands, allows the possibility of arbitrarily imposed martial law and therefore requires amendment. In order to amend it, we must first repeal the existing law so that the value may be reset and specifically exclude the use of the military for policing. |
| Date | 18:18:59, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | I still dont see why this requires Article 2. We must oppose any attempt at forced service. |
| Date | 19:13:11, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | could the bill text clarify that the mandatory service is only a short training course, and the rest is voluntary? As it reads right now, it sounds like all Lodamun citizens coudl be conscripted for ten years. We trust that is not actually the bill's intent. |
| Date | 21:29:34, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | We oppose any conscription. |
| Date | 07:23:48, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | Opposed a lot. |
| Date | 14:00:52, October 06, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | This bill is now much clearer - the "term" is more clearly defined as one additional school term, after which they may volunteer for membership of the legionnaires. This is the newly-added second paragraph: "The first term - ie usually called the autumn term - after they leave school will be considered an extended educational period and will be spent learning basic first aid and emergency skills. At least one month of this period will be overseas. They will subsequently be able to volunteer to further their training and become Lodamun Legionnaires." |
| Date | 17:30:35, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | perfect. The Greens will support this bill. |
| Date | 21:27:03, October 06, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | Supported now that it's been clarified. |
| Date | 06:21:11, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | No party that votes in favor of this bill is fit to be a minister of defense. |
| Date | 06:21:57, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Lodamun Legionnaires |
| Message | Eh, wrong bill |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 99 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 179 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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