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Bill: Jurisdictional Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Herrenclub Werffenberg
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2666
Description[?]:
| §1: If the Minister of Justice cannot be trusted to be fair and just, who can? §2: What kind of people can\'t even afford a lawyer anyway? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to appeal against a judgement rendered by a court.
Old value:: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Current: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Proposed: Every person has the right to appeal to the Minister of Justice to have a judgement reviewed by another court.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government provision of legal aid to the accused.
Old value:: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Current: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Proposed: Legal representation is never paid for by the state.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:14:51, November 15, 2008 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Jurisdictional Bill |
| Message | Article 1 we support but article 2 we don\'t. |
| Date | 22:15:13, November 15, 2008 CET | From | Hulstrian Labor Party | To | Debating the Jurisdictional Bill |
| Message | The PWHH is full of fools if they think that everyone can afford inflated legal fee\'s. Not everyone is well off like yourselves. Currently the HLP views this government is quite corrupt, and wouldn\'t trust the MoJ as far as Mr. Baudissin could throw the person. Even if the government was not corrupt, the HLP still advocates the separation of powers to ensure the least amount of government intervention in the legal system. |
| Date | 03:51:53, November 16, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Jurisdictional Bill |
| Message | \"The HLP views this government as corrupt? Why? Does the HLP view every Hulstrian with differing views from them as \'corrupt\'. This sort of mentality saw the slaughter of liberals in Hulstria the last time we saw it.\" -Cornelia Pietersen Staatsminister of Greater Hulstria Chairman of the HNP DM for Graaffsberg South |
| Date | 04:00:01, November 16, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Jurisdictional Bill |
| Message | \"As a note, both I and the HNP oppose this bill. It was the HNP that established and has defended the fundamental right of appeal in this country. We do not wish to change that situation, especially as it might contravene the Hulstrian Statute of Rights, which our current Governor-General wrote while serving as the Minister of Justice.\" -Hendrik van Zyl Minister of Justice DM for Labsburg Centre |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 650 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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