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Bill: Long Live Rzeczpospolita!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2124
Description[?]:
| We have long watched as our country has stood divided between monarchists and those supporting democracy, as well as those who are radically christian and those who are radically secular. Looking back in the history books, we found an example of a state that gave everyone almost all that they wanted: The Tinakan-Utagian Commonwealth. This bill is an attempt to return our glorious fatherland to the days of the commonwealth, when we were ruled by the Golden Liberty. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Luthori, you brighten up our lives, Luthori, we pledge our love to you, Till the end of time, we'll protect you from the evils of this world. Luthori, you're a jewel in this world, Luthori, you are a light in the dark, To the end of life, we would stand on guard for your people and for you. Though storms may come, and the skies may fall, our love for you is more than true, Though the ground may shake, and the world may end, we will be with you till the end. Luthori, you're like the moon in the sky, Luthori, you are much greater than life, We may die, but you will live on in this imperfect world of ours, forever. Luthori, you brighten up our lives, Luthori, we pledge our love to you, Till the end of time, we'll protect you from the evils of this world.
Current:
| 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐆𝐫𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐏𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐋𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐫 𝐘𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐦 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT1HEXNI9c4> And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon Luthori's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God On Luthori's pleasant pastures seen? And did the countenance divine Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Yishelem builded here Among those dark satanic mills? Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me my arrows of desire! Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire! I will not cease from mental fight, Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand, Till we have built Yishelem In Luthori's green and pleasant land. |
Proposed:
| Luthori has not yet perished so long as we shall live. What foreign aggression has seized, we'll take back with the sword. March, march, Poniatowski, from Geharon to Luthori, We shall follow you and Return to our people. We'll cross the desert, we'll cross the mountains, We shall ever be Luthorians, Kariparta has shown us the way How to prevail. March, march, Poniatowski... As Wybicki crossed the desert And returned to Randamar After the Agathi invasion To redeem the country. March, march, Poniatowski... A father says to his Basia, As he spares not a tear: "Listen, now, can you hear our men Beating the kettle-drums?" March, march, Poniatowski... |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://www.gna.gov.bh/arabic/images/royal-flag.jpg
Current: https://i.ibb.co/ws4vFrH/Flag-of-Luthori.png
Proposed: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/NewCommonwealthFlag.png
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Imperial Majesty
Current: His Irrevocable Imperial Majesty, by the Almighty's Grace, Inheritor of the House of Elior, Inheritor of the House of Orange-Villayn, Inheritor of the House of Rothingren-Traugott, Albert, Emperor of Luthori, King of Mordusia, King of Rutania, Meleh (King) of the Yeudi Homeland, Head of the House of Orange-Villayn Armstead, Duke of Alcarie, Duke of Canterwall, Holder of the Yeudi Crown of 8 Gems, Supreme Governor of the Church, Defender of the Faith, Defender of the Holy Land.
Proposed: Rzeczpospolita King
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Commonwealth Parliament
Current: Imperial Diet (lower house), Imperial Senate (upper house)
Proposed: Sejm
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: Dominion
Current: Grand Duchy
Proposed: Voivodship
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:10:49, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Meh, this is a bit spontaneous I agree, but if you have any questions on this go ahead. I cannot put it to voting until any other bills that have to do with administrative stuff(basically anything like the National Motto or the Head of Government. You know who you are...) If you have any idea what REAL nation I based this on, you get a cookie. |
| Date | 04:37:20, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | 1. Well, I like our current anthem, you did a good job on it. 2. The new names will be unique, to say the least. 3.A. Yes I know who I am, I also know where I am. =D B. I am not going to drop the bill though. 4. Is the REAL nation that you based it on Poland by any chance? |
| Date | 04:38:57, October 08, 2005 CET | From | United Conservative Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Ugh! |
| Date | 04:46:10, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Omfgwtfbbq! You guessed right, CHEAT! Cookie for you! *hands him a cookie* 1. I'm not particularly fond of it. The actual tune I based it on is too happy and uplifting for my tastes(and tropical). The one I just wrote is much more patriotic and, if you read the history, you see it's more relevant. 2. Why yes, they will be =D 3. Mmmmkay. 4. I already responded to that. UCP, why you say "Ugh!"? |
| Date | 04:50:53, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Gah, I'm too tired to do anything more right now. It's only almost 10 PM where I am, but I've been waking up at 6 AM for WEEKS now, so my body doesn't have enough energy to stay up this late.... |
| Date | 15:33:03, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Thanks for the cookie. *Eats cookie* On the anthem: The new one is too patriotic, too violent, and too long, how do you expect the sports fans to remember all the words when they have to sing the anthem at the sports events, and the players don't have a chance. Most of the anthem will appear to consist of mneh, mneh, mneh, except at the end when everyone sings loudly. On UCP saying "Ugh!", it is the first coherent thing he has said, since it has not consisted of accusing someone of being a communist, a nazi or a sodomist. Nor has it consisted of announcing intentions of kicking out or killing various minorities, or enacting theocratic laws. |
| Date | 17:32:51, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I can edit the anthem. I just made it long cuz it's cool. And there are MANY real-life countries that have National Anthems longer than this one. And more patriotic. I mean, come ON! The point of a national anthem is to be patriotic! |
| Date | 17:35:59, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I edited the Nat'l Anthem, kay? And where it goes "March, March, Poniatowski...", it means recite the entire chorus. |
| Date | 22:03:46, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I support this. |
| Date | 22:42:29, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Fo' REAL? Woooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... |
| Date | 23:03:02, October 08, 2005 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | No... Just..no |
| Date | 00:58:41, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | What do you have against a system based on the worlds most succesfull Elective Monarchy, Hmmmm? Poland conquer vast swathes of Europe and was renowned for its religious tolerance and its piousness at the same time. It was an economic powerhouse and a military superpower at the same time. What nation do you think saved Europe from the Turks? Poland. What nation advanced the cause of Civil Rights for over two centuries? Poland. What nation created Europes first constitution and the second in history? Poland. And after much studying, I have pin-pointed certain elements that caused the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to collapse, and have fashioned the greatest compromise government ever. Oh, and just for the record, If I see that this bill has absoluetly NO chance of passing, I am willing to take off and add some parts. Like in the actual Commonwealth of old, it will take quite a while to get these things passed, but in the end everyone will be happy. |
| Date | 02:39:32, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Well, I guess I should support it, if only because you obviously went to alot of effort, and should get a reward for all the hard work, and good work. I like the history. Have a box of cookies. *hands him a box of cookies* |
| Date | 05:02:54, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Omfgwtfbbq! A whole BOX of 'em? And CHEAT, I wasn't referring to you when I said "What do you have against..." At least you put up some decent answers. The UCP responded with "Ugh!" and Rednecks with "No...Just..no". I wanted to see if I could get a decent answer out of 'em. |
| Date | 19:45:01, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | "What nation advanced the cause of Civil Rights for over two centuries?" They don't like civil rights. :P |
| Date | 20:53:01, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | "Fo' REAL? Woooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...." YEAAAH! The current values are too much like the UK(except flag and anthem but I don't care about that), the new ones are more original. Plus I really don't like the name Imperial Majesty, and the whole democracy thang. |
| Date | 21:00:37, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | (triple post: =D) Since this needs 2/3 majority why not change the title of Luthori. |
| Date | 21:43:05, October 09, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | We don't mind the idea of an elected monarch. What we object to in this bill is the fact that it would allow the crown to fall into the hands of party politicians. Elections between competing royal houses: why not? Between grubby politicians, backed by rich criminals with vested interests: NO! |
| Date | 00:34:53, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | HAH Your saying royal houses wouldn't have support of "rich criminals vested interests"! You seem to revealing what your party is about, our party and our allies CHEAT and friends RP have had the same policies for over a 100 years unaffected by who decides to donate to us. |
| Date | 00:57:08, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Just keep His Majesty away from politics, okay? |
| Date | 01:31:56, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | You mean keep his majesty Herman Finkers LEADER OF THE CPP out of politics!? That would be illeagal for us to do. |
| Date | 02:59:51, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | DUP: Why not have each party connected to a royal house, and the party is elected as HoG, the royal house as HoS. That allows what you want, and keeps criminal interests away from the HoS. Seosavists: You have a point, but considering everything, CPP was a better choice than any of the other conservative parties. And he is currently not too involved in politics in any case. |
| Date | 03:26:40, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Then each party could be a royal house instead of a party! Wooooaaaaaaaah... Any of you guys ever read Dune? It's like that... |
| Date | 03:32:21, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | And if that doesn't work out, if I take out the election of the monarch thing will you pass it? I'll bring up Monarch Election in another bill, of course, but getting this passed would lay the groundwork. |
| Date | 03:49:59, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Well, I'd go for an elective monarchy, so if I promise that the only criminals my party deals with are ones we rehabilitate via community services, and a certain profession that was legal until recently (never as a client though, only as we were landlords =D), will the DUP accept the Rzeczpospolita Party's proposals. |
| Date | 04:12:42, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | And may I suggest that when we can have separate elections, we hold HoG elections every three years, and HoS elections every six years. |
| Date | 04:21:14, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Did we even HAVE elections for the HoG before? I mean, HoS we did, but I thought HoG was a cabinet position... |
| Date | 05:06:37, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Yeah, well since the largest party forms cabinet, he gets HoG by default.. |
| Date | 05:18:16, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Gah! I'm about to fall asleep any second, seeing how its 10:16 P.M. here and I've got to wake at 6... I guess I'm going to get 8 1/2 hours of sleep tonight -_-. Anyhoo, I up-dated the Rzeczpospolita article here: http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/wiki/index.php/Rzeczpospolita A bunch of funky pictures, military stuff, and a map is basically all I added, though. |
| Date | 09:27:20, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Having read your article I see you've missed an essential proposal: the one meaning only nobles can vote. Without that, and other electoral reforms, we can't support this. |
| Date | 12:30:54, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | You have to be kidding me, you want to remove suffrage from most of Luthori's citizens, the citizens that put you in power. Hey, maybe that ain't a bad idea. |
| Date | 13:48:11, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Turns out I only got 7 hours *gah* DUP, I eventually will bring in the laws stating that only nobles can vote, but deffinetly not in this bill. It threatens to undermine the whole proposal. And by the way, if we had the option, we would set the election thing to "the HoS is elected and holds their position for life, and upon their death another election shall take place". That's how it worked in the old days, it did. |
| Date | 14:07:33, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | And that is how I'd do it. Like they do with the pope. |
| Date | 22:21:07, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I'd go for that, if also separated from party politics. You should suggest an elected monarchy is added on the forum. Herman Finkers is technically an elected king: check the wording of the act that made him monarch. |
| Date | 22:37:31, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I suggestified it, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon. |
| Date | 23:13:59, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | As long as the new feature is available before Herman I dies it should make no difference. |
| Date | 03:02:31, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Show of hands here: Who would vote "Yes" if this keeps the election part, who would vote "Yes" if it were taken away. |
| Date | 04:23:10, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I'd go either way really. But I'd prefer an elected monarchy. |
| Date | 09:43:27, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I'd be for an elected MONARCHY, but this this. I would vote yes if you removed the elected HoS, and would vote yes again in the future when an elected monarchy feature becomes available. |
| Date | 09:43:53, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | *but NOT this... |
| Date | 09:46:28, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | This is a transition phase, so that when the elective monarchy feature becomes available, the change won't be so drastic. |
| Date | 09:48:25, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Without the republican article it would be transitional, with it the bill is revolutionary treachery. |
| Date | 10:01:41, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | The Rzeczpospolita has put up a bill for an elective monarchy. The Seosavists Party said they will vote for an elective monarchy. I have said I will vote for an elective monarchy. You have said you will vote for an elective monarchy. So far, that is more than half the legislature saying they will support the monarchy. Yet you call these people revolutionary and accuse them of treason. We have assured you we will not let the position become political while in this transition phase. We have given you our word. The Rzeczpospolita Party has even promised to propose a bill allowing only nobles to vote. What else can we do to assure you? |
| Date | 13:23:56, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Simply remove article 2, allowing our elected monarch to remain in place until such a time as the issue of his succession (by non-party based election by the nobility) has been addressed by the enabling of the elected monarchy feature. We pledge to vote for that feature when that time comes. |
| Date | 13:43:41, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Ok then, I've got an Idea. I'll split this bill up, see? All this stuff(save the election stuff) will be put up to vote. For the election system, I'll create another bill. But not now. Short on time, I am. |
| Date | 13:57:21, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Sure. |
| Date | 14:05:17, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I'll vote for both. |
| Date | 15:27:54, October 11, 2005 CET | From | United Conservative Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Votes only for land-owners and other nobles. |
| Date | 01:28:42, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | "with it the bill is revolutionary treachery." " the one meaning only nobles can vote" Removing the votes from the common people is Treachery. Not allowing elections for HoS is treachery against the people of this democratic nation! Not bowing down to some guy just because he was born into a certain family is not treachery! |
| Date | 02:02:17, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Whacho have against this bill, Redneck? |
| Date | 16:50:31, October 12, 2005 CET | From | United Conservative Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | No votes for commoners or sodomists! That's only natural. |
| Date | 21:37:32, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | yo, DUP, why haven't ye voted? |
| Date | 03:22:13, October 13, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | UCP, why do you have to turn everything into an anti-sodomist rant? |
| Date | 14:39:57, October 13, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Despite approving of the new anthem and not objecting to any of the remaining articles I couldn't vote for this because the concept is being used to try and turn the Imperial Commonwealth into a republic. Either bring in landowner voting alongside and elected HoS or wait until the electeed monarchy function becomes available. Speaking of which, can you post the URL of the thread where you requested this? |
| Date | 14:47:31, October 13, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | I'd never go for a republic, for the reason why, here it is: THE UNITED $TATE$ OF AMERICA. But I want a DEMOCRATIC monarchy. |
| Date | 23:59:12, October 13, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | We agree with an elected monarchy, but it has to be a life term, otherwise it's not a monarchy at all. |
| Date | 06:18:45, October 14, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Long Live Rzeczpospolita! |
| Message | Fine. |
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Total Seats: 394 | ||||
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Total Seats: 223 | ||||
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