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Bill: Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2683
Description[?]:
| Are territories abroad shall be known as New Aloria, and shall be divided into five party, named Geriallot, Harlmount, Darlton, Wordsridge and Kershburg. Each shall be governed by a colonial governor appointed by parliament, and each one of them shall answer to the Governor of New Aloria, also appointed by parliament. The Governor of New Aloria can veto any action taken by a colonial governor. The Governor of New Aloria also is the commander in chief of the colonial militia and conducts he foreign affairs of New Aloria (OOC: there won't be many, as we've pretty much made up these colonies and can't use them for our advantage in international RP) Parliament can remove and appoint governors at anytime to any of the colonies or to New Aloria overall. This bill hereby enacts the above and appoints: The candidate from the PDAP for the Governorship of Geriallot The candidate from the APP for the Governorship of Harlmount The candidate from the SA for the Governorship of Wordsridge The candidate from the NP for the Governorship of Darlton The candidate from the CPA for the Governorship of Kershburg The candidate from the AGSP for the Governorship of all New Aloria Upon passage of this bill, each party with a governorship should open up a bill kept in debate from where parliament can be informed of the actions being taken in each colony. Each update must be put as a debate positing first, and then the Governor of New Aloria has 1 day (in realtime) to check it. Following this, the update is considered enacted (as it has not been vetoed by the Supreme Governor) and then posted as an update in the bill's description. When governorship switches, the new party in control will copy and paste the old bill on to their own new one, and then the old one will be canceled. If a governor does something parliament does not like, parliament can not veto it, but they can remove the governor then appoint a new one to overturn that action, anything a colonial governor that is hostile to the Republic however would be considered an illegal coup and treated as such. Parliament also can put a colony under home rule at anytime, which removes the governor from there. This puts the colony under the administration of parliament (ooc: not suggested, wouldn't be fun to jumble up colonies with the domestic rule of Aloria under parliament). So this bill gives one colony's governorship each to the APP, SA, CPA, PDAP and NP. This bill gives overall governorship of New Aloria to AGSP. ooc; Any ideas about how we can determine population? I'm thinking just put 1/100 of our own population for New Aloria then divided by five to determine the population of each one. Thats a little more then half a million for each, a very modest population, but maybe we can start off from here then decide population growth of the colonies from there. Passage of this bill does not enact anything with regards to the decision on RPing population, just putting it in here to stimulate discussion. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:32:41, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | overall governorship, like a Governor-General?? And why those parties to chose governors? Any reason behind that thought? Oh yeah, and the names... remember? |
| Date | 22:37:06, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | well yes, like a govenor general, the colonial runs administering each individual colony and the the Governor of New Aloria above them able to veto it.' And those parties are chosen to be the first governors, or more accurately, are prefered by President Harpe. Parliament decides ultimately who gets it (this can make for a bargaining chip in political compromises in the future). We can change who gets the governorships, but ultimately, it has to pass a vote. And I wanted to see some discussions on the names. |
| Date | 23:05:16, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Do we have a map of which place is where? As a note: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/457/presentation5qr6.jpg We might be the "possible Alduria" on there. The white spaces are in fact taken. |
| Date | 23:09:29, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | its in dispute what we have If we in fact have nothing on the map, we just make it up So long as we don;t use this as an advantange in international RP, I don's see anything wrong with this. |
| Date | 23:15:36, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | yeah, it doesn't really matter. I don;t want to stake a claim on the map, as there are so many arguments about who has what. We have some small possessions not on the map, we make it up just to have some fun RP here amongst us, and so long as we don't use them for any advantage against other nations, there is no reason why we can't do this. |
| Date | 23:18:51, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=29793 Check this out |
| Date | 23:25:41, December 16, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | These colonies are a celebration of our triumph over Fascism! They should be named for the Presidents who fought it still they're good Presidents. Leif - the martyr Canning - the tireless freedom fighter who even out of office continued to fight. He was the man the NWO hated most even hunting him when he held no office. Also a great Socialist reformer but that came into being post-war (He's my pres I know the most I'm not trying to be bias) Stanhope - fought for peace to stop bloodshed Hoover - a rock Aloria could rely on and Harpe - the man who ended Fascism in Aloria I know we have had other wars but this has been our biggest. Everything we stood for was under threat and we triumphed. We were even occupied for several years but we fought on. THIS IS TEH PROUDEST MOMENT IN ALORIAN HISTORY. WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING OUR WAR PRESIDENTS! |
| Date | 23:29:21, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | There were some other important leaders before the 2000s. |
| Date | 23:43:12, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | I'll put this to vote in two days, so say what you want, and we'll get something through. Right now, I'm leaning to mix up of Leif, Canning, Belmore, Mansfield one other name as far as names are concerned. |
| Date | 23:48:00, December 16, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | You'll get some names tomorrow. |
| Date | 23:48:10, December 16, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | FLETCHER! Our greatest leader. He sent Aloria to support fledgling democracy in Luthori and brought massive Socialists change. So much nationalising and liberalising |
| Date | 03:49:10, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Lets replace Canning with Fletcher. Canning is a huge character of Alorian History already(from PM to Pres to PrCoa Leader, through wartime), but he is still alive. So Leif, Fletcher, Mansfield, Belmore, lets find one more. |
| Date | 21:44:54, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | King Gavon the Uniter, the founder of the Kingdom of Aloria. Also, some of the Gavon and Leif (by themselves) sound sort of stupid. How about: Gavonia (Can we govern this?) Leifheim? (Leif is a Scandinavia name) |
| Date | 21:47:07, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | King Gavon the Uniter, the founder of the Kingdom of Aloria. Also, some of the Gavon and Leif (by themselves) sound sort of stupid. How about: Gavonia (Can we govern this?) Leifheim? (Leif is a Scandinavia name) |
| Date | 21:57:35, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | King Gavon the Uniter, the founder of the Kingdom of Aloria. Also, some of the Gavon and Leif (by themselves) sound sort of stupid. How about: Gavonia (Can we govern this?) Leifheim? (Leif is a Scandinavia name) |
| Date | 22:00:17, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Canning was only president for 2 years... why name a colony after him?? He is maybe a great leader, but just a leader of the SA. Then we could name also colonies after Peron, our leader, of after the leader of the communists. And Canning hasn't that impossive carreer. Harsten Caddy was PM for over 20 years. And that naming after presidents during wartime is just stupid. Their were many wars and many presidents in that time. Like Thompson, Fletcher, Alderson and Smith during the Luthori War, and Rosenberg and Franco during the Kurmal Civil War. |
| Date | 22:26:53, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | How about: Gavonia Peron Leifheim Kannaly (doesn't have to be Lucien, just Patrick) Victoria |
| Date | 22:27:19, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | How about: Gavonia Peron Leifheim Kannaly (doesn't have to be Lucien, just Patrick) Victoria |
| Date | 22:27:48, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Sorry about the multiple posting. |
| Date | 22:36:32, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | I really don't care. I just want to get this passed. Aside from the names, does everyone support this? How'd about to make things easier lets not name them after Presidents or non presidents (Peron has not held any high office, and Canning also was Prime Minister and De Facto President for a long time) or any people at all. How'd about Geriallot, Harlmount, Darlton, Wordsridge and Kershburg? I literally just made those up off the top of my head. I really don't care what they are named so long as we get something passed. |
| Date | 22:39:30, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Well like those names better.. then we can't arguing about presidential names. But why such a rush??? this is a discussion and we must work things out... what do we have with a bill that is passed but were nobody agrees with??? |
| Date | 22:46:27, December 17, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | I still like the idea of naming them after Presidents. Let's be proud of our national heroes |
| Date | 22:46:57, December 17, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | If we can think of nothing else let the First Governor parties name them |
| Date | 22:53:55, December 17, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | We use the APP idea for provinces, and have the governor name the cities. |
| Date | 00:11:58, December 18, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Is that supported by anyone else? After we pass a bill about how the colonies should be adminstered, we should start playing them. However, we will also have to decided, in another debate like this, how to get population figures. |
| Date | 21:09:06, December 18, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | this goes up to vote January of next year, so say something before then or forever hold you peace. |
| Date | 21:50:03, December 18, 2008 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | It looks good. Can I do the RPing for this? |
| Date | 22:05:21, December 18, 2008 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | Please clarify what we're naming the colonies |
| Date | 22:41:47, December 18, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Populist Party (DemCoa) | To | Debating the Administration of New Aloria..... Lets discuss |
| Message | We are naming them with made up names. If a colonial governor wishes to name a city after somebody, thats their choice. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 416 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 79 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 209 |
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