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Bill: Trade Union bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2129
Description[?]:
| In order to reduce the possibility of strike action it is proposed that all Trade Unions must hold a democratic ballot before any strike action is taken including all members within this process. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Trade union strike ballots.
Old value:: Trade unions are not required by law to hold a ballot before striking.
Current: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, a majority of all members, regardless of if they vote or not must approve the strike action.
Proposed: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, a majority of all members, regardless of if they vote or not must approve the strike action.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:42:45, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Opposed. This is adding mindless bureacracy into the situation- what if the strike was confined to one workplace? We couldn't ballot the entire union, which is what this proposes. |
| Date | 19:05:41, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | "mindless bureaucracy" - this should be just up your street then! |
| Date | 19:08:11, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | "WE" "WE" "WE" you hear this people? the SR said "We couldn't ballot the entire union" We have a trade union ruling our country apparently! All those in favour of a change of governement to one that isn't in the payroll of the unions say 'Aye'! |
| Date | 19:24:26, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Unions work in favour of all of their members, not the select few. As is often found Unions such as teachers unions decide across the board whether to strike or not resulting in complete strike action; this then proves a point to the agency concerned. Moreover not all Unions have nationwide representatives, some are just concentrated around a single workplace. People can also join more than a single Union. As stands the Union leadership may decide to strike but its' membership not wish to, however they have no choice but to strike. This bill thus gives the Unions' members a voice. |
| Date | 20:00:53, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | PAL- If you hadn't noticed, we're a Socialist party. That means that we _are_ the workers. NMRP- The right to strike is a very basic one. Why should we force the workers of this country to vote on whether they should strike, adding weeks (possibly months in the case of a large union) onto the struggle where they are forced to continue working! This is Thatcherite economics, and I would have expected better from a left-wing party. |
| Date | 23:00:11, October 11, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Actually unless you call yourselves a Workers party you are not the workers. Socialism does not equal Communism, just as Communism does not equal Leninism, just as Leninism doesn't equal Marxism. Moreover the right to strike is only a right when the law grants that right; and isn't it their choice whether they wish to strike. Besides which why should a ballot take months? Since when do Referendums take months? Since when do elections? Furthermore if I was using Thatcherite economics I would be banning the Unions, not giving the 'workers' a greater choice within aforementioned Unions. |
| Date | 00:34:48, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Does it matter if 'Workers' is in our name? Our membership and our voters are made up of the workers- we are a workers party. Why do you think the workers have turned their back on your party in recent years? It's because of reactionary policies like this one. And your comment on socialism/communism/leninism/marxism seems to be completely irrelevant from the topic at hand. You seem to be under the illusion that currently workers HAVE to strike when a union calls a strike. It's quite possible for a worker to continue working if they disagree with union policy. And a nationwide ballot would take significant amount of time to be co-ordinated. Again, this bureacracy is not needed. And Thatcher never banned the unions, she simply regulated them to such an extent that they became obselete, which is what you are doing now. |
| Date | 00:49:58, October 12, 2005 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Then don't make it nationwide, simply let the union workers that it would affect vote. |
| Date | 09:33:48, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | 'Trade Unions must by law hold a ballot of ALL members before going on strike' |
| Date | 16:44:44, October 12, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | The workers are Populists, not commies! When is the last time you did an honest days work? A better question, when is the last time you spoke to anyone who had ever done an honest days work? Perhaps it was the serving wench at one of your thought criminal conventions? Or maybe the butler at your parents mansion? Leave it to the wastrel progeny of Beluzia's fat cats to betray our nation with sedition... |
| Date | 20:07:37, October 12, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | If the workers are Populists then why don't they vote for you? |
| Date | 00:36:37, October 14, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Communist voting fraud, what else? We vote with the bullet, my friend, and with the bullhorn and baton out on the streets! |
| Date | 09:35:18, October 14, 2005 CET | From | Militant Socialist Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Explains why nobody votes for you then. |
| Date | 13:56:05, October 14, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. - Stalin |
| Date | 23:17:13, October 14, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | PPP: Stalin, nuts as he was, really did have some good turns of phrase didn't he. |
| Date | 20:45:58, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Okie dokie going to vote because I'd really like to have something going to vote again. |
| Date | 23:00:13, October 20, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | Hitler's Mein Kampf is far more readable than you might think, and don't even get me started on Mao! http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1937/guerrilla-warfare/ The problem w idealism is when it is applied. |
| Date | 17:26:03, October 21, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | It's true, hence why I'm a realist and not a idealist. Idealism is a wonderful thing but you must always adapt it to make it realistic. |
| Date | 17:54:25, October 21, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Trade Union bill |
| Message | efficiency is beautiful, efficiency is art.... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 215 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 150 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 35 |
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