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Bill: Equal Say

Details

Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2043

Description[?]:

Since our regions represent points of view on how our government is run. We feel it will be irresponsable to allow the majority to dictate their morals to the minority.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageThis has already been sufficiently debated in the Fair Representation bill, and certainly this will not recieve the support of the LevP. This proposal sets up a tyranny of the minority.

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FromSocial Republican Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageExactly. I have already discussed this Ad nauseam, and the proposal basically over represents the smallest region by something like 40%.

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From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageBut we have a tyranny of the minority in so many issues already thanks in no small part of the work of the Levaithan Party.
The flaw in the SRP reasoning is that the regions are not just lines on the map. Memebers of each reason have similiar opinions on issues (not all issues of course but many) This will protect the smaller regions falling prey to the larger one.
For instance: where will we place our nuclear waste. The people have spoken its in Polkana. Regions are seperate seperate entites in our nation and they each should have an equal say in its outcome.

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FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageWhich minority is being tyrannical? The one that has consistently given a clear majority to 'leftist' parties? And your solution is to massively over represent small regions to prevent the numerical majority from setting policy in Malivia? Please, check your medication, you may have missed a dose.

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FromRadical Centrists
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageWe support the status quo, but prefer the PP option to that proposed by LevP & SRP.

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FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageWe too support the status quo. It seems a reasonable compromise between tyranny of the majority and tyranny of the minority (given the options available).

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FromRadical Centrists
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageOOC: Isn't the status quo the greatest possible tyranny of the minority given the options?

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FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageOOC: No, as I understand it the status quo is pseudo-proportional, so small regions have more seats per capita, but still fewer seats overall, than large regions. The proposal is for all regions to have the same number of seats.

Date04:33:48, April 27, 2005 CET
FromSocial Republican Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageOOC - the status quo is a 20% tyranny of minority. (The smallest region is 20% over-represented). Under your new proposal, they would get 50% more representation (per capita) than the largest region. Hardly 'equal say.'

Date04:35:40, April 27, 2005 CET
FromSocial Republican Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
Messagee This bill gives a ridiculous advantage to smaller regions - right now, a region with 64% of the population of another region gets 78% of the representation. In other words, the people in the smaller region get 120% of the representation that a citizen in a larger region receives. What so many people forget is that regions are nothing but lines on a map. The only importance is the people. Under this new system, a region with 64% of another gets the same amount of representation, so a person in the smallest region would get 156% representation (per capita, compared to the largest region). That is a small amount of increase, but still a step towards tyranny by the minority. Proving that I already said that.

Date17:39:06, April 27, 2005 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageAgain we argue with the SFP notion that regions are just lines on the map. We are trying to highlight the notion that the regions are divided in interests are there is no logical reason that the smaller regions should fall prey to the will of the larger.
The current method fails to account for the fact that urban populations and rural populations have different ideals and currently the rural populations must bow to the will of the urban dwellers.

Date18:18:52, April 27, 2005 CET
FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Equal Say
MessageWe agree with the PP that regions are more than just lines on the map. However, the status quo, in which small regions are somewhat over-represented on a per capita basis while still not equally represented on an overall level, is an appropriate compromise.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 28

no
    

Total Seats: 42

abstain
  

Total Seats: 30


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