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Bill: For Alduria Resolution, 2715
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aldurian Green Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2715
Description[?]:
| Restoring Alduria for Aldurians. |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Anti-Communist Treaty.
Article 2
Withdraw from the The International Monarchist League.
Article 3
Withdraw from the Union of Luthori & Alduria.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:36:41, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | LOL and you still have yet to even give it a shot. OOO well, to bad it stays whether or not the Treaty does. That is what is nice about Constitutional Amendments, they take 2/3s to take down no matter what the actrually vote may be. |
| Date | 17:48:18, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | You made the union with a treaty that means when the treaty is gone the union is gone. If you wanted to make it a constitutional amendment then you should have made it a resolution with a constitutional article, but you didn't so now it is too late. Think back to the legislation governing cabinet selection, this was a constitutional amendment and everyone accepted that it required 2/3s' to remove. Your union is a treaty and treaties only need 1/2 to remove. |
| Date | 17:52:55, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | I told you, it was the only way, but the Treaty states, that it is a Constitutional Amendmenmt. We can take this to the Mods if you want, but beacuse there is no way to make something share internationally but a Treaty I used it. I still set it with Constsional changes to even further make it a Constituonal chnage. You just don't want to have to deal with the fact that you still lack the votes to end it. We will continue to play along with Luthori that it is on, I have no probelem argueing this case in front of the Mods. Face the simple facts that it will take 2/3s, or you will only be blinding yourself to fake play. Pluys not my fault that Treaties themselves neeed 1/2, when they are Constitutoinal Amendments they require 2/3s, but have to be honored by players. It is obvious you lack honor since all you want to do is only accpet things when they are your way but not what others want. I and the rest of the IA and Luthori will continue to play with the Union together, until you have a 2/3s vote removing it. |
| Date | 18:02:55, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | An identical set of resolutions that have constitutional articles in them, passed by both countries, would have the effect that you're looking for and everyone would accept it. Just because something doesn't appear on nations diplomatic page (which is I know what you want.) doesn't make it any less binding. |
| Date | 18:09:03, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | Well I did not know, I did this and spelled it out in there, it passed with 100% of the votes. So deal with it for now, you known what I ment and you are just using it aregue an excuse that had I known that would have done that. Just like removeing us from the IML, does not mean we are not a monarchy, is just a way to help us keep track. I and the rest will continue to play is if the Union is on until you get 2/3s vote to end it. Yet instead of thinking you just act. Why not wait until you have the 2/3s to make it more real. Why not for once just follow along and insted of going with it like this, when you damn well know what I ment. Why not actrually play like it would have been instead of doing whatever you can to us little loopwholes in the game to your advantage. You know what it was ment to be, so why not actrually honor it, or just come out and admit you don't want to ever RP and only want to do what makes you pwoerful. |
| Date | 18:20:28, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | OOC: I never said that I as a player would not recognize that the Union is there, I only implied that my party would not recognize the union as legitimate. |
| Date | 19:21:30, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | Still then why not wait and take it down with 2/3s. You can say it does not exist as a party and still honor what it says. With half the Treaty will go down, but the Union will still exist. Why not simple just leave it up and wait till you can get a 2/3s vote to remove. That way it is still there and we don't have to go dig it out every time we call it up. I made an offer to the RRP, staying that all I want to do is give it a shot and those that gave their hard work to see it at leats exist for one election term. Yes this is another one of my experiments. After that, even after the next election if you still find it so damn bad then we will help you take it down. Now of course if we still lack the 2/3s and the other parties don't want to then that is their problem, but I will be willing to help end it. However until that time or until 2/3s is reached then why not just leave it up for haven sake, for if this was a really waht it was suppose to be, it would still be up after this vote, but due to game mechanics it will be taken down. The only thing this is doing is making it harder for us, that want it up. For now it will take another 2./3s to put the Treaty back, even though the Union is still existing. You don't have to take it down just because you "party" is against it, especially when you are in reality not taking it down. |
| Date | 20:10:42, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | We take it down because we are against foreign influence in Alduria not because we are necessarily anti-monarchy.( We did after all enter Alduria when it was a kingdom, but an ALDURIAN kingdom) |
| Date | 02:19:09, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Radical-Revolutionary Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | (OOC: I'm undecided on this. Mechanically it was a treaty, but in a roleplay sense it was a change to the Constitution. I'm not voting just yet.) |
| Date | 12:29:55, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the For Alduria Resolution, 2715 |
| Message | We urge the Centrist party to vote for this resolution and end luthori influence in Alduria. This would also provide 2/3s' and end the debate about whether or not this is truly gone. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 104 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 137 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 260 |
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