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Bill: Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09
Details
Submitted by[?]: Centrist Action
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2721
Description[?]:
| Deals with various health issues |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning organ donations.
Old value:: The government enforces no regulation whatsoever.
Current: Organ donations are legal with personal consent.
Proposed: Organ donations are only legal with personal consent, next-of-kin may override personal consent.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The funding of sports clubs.
Old value:: All sports clubs are government owned and run.
Current: The government funds some sports clubs side-by-side with private ones.
Proposed: The government does not fund sports clubs; only private ones are allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on vaccinations.
Old value:: The government takes no stand on vaccinations.
Current: The government mandates vaccination for all children, but parents may opt out for religious or ideological reasons.
Proposed: The government encourages vaccinations for children, but does not enforce them.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:43:42, March 03, 2009 CET | From |  Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09 |
| Message | What is point of this bill? Article 1. I don't want my tax money to be used for paying some no-good unemployed bum. Article 2. I don't see point why government needs to stick its nose into that one... Article 3. Well both current , and your proposal are bad(although your is a little bit better). Article 4. Why should government openly encourage point of view of one group of people? Article 5. Obstruction of free trade. |
| Date | 21:22:26, March 03, 2009 CET | From | ProgressiveDemocrats (ProgDem) | To | Debating the Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09 |
| Message | I quite like 4 and 5, I even go as far as vote for it if there wasn't 1. ALL people shoul have acces to STATE paid healthcare; This not only(primarily ofcourse but not only) something for the poor; It is the very reason people pay taxesm By the way even for reasonably welldoing citizens healthcare can be unaffordable, We shall never vote for any bill that will take this fundamental principle of an equal state away, What is your proposal if not some mixed up form charity, an invention of the rich to relax their consience(if present. |
| Date | 22:15:45, March 03, 2009 CET | From | Centrist Action | To | Debating the Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09 |
| Message | So CNP doesn't like it because it's too much, and PD doesn't like it because it's too little. Now, in response to CNP on 2,3,4, and 5: 2) All it's saying is that a person has the right to choose what happens to their own organs, as opposed to no regulation, where a doctor can take it out without permission 3) I don't think the government should have anything to do with Sports Clubs, as is reflected in the change. I don't understand your problem with it 4) Because vaccination is key to preventing spread of diseases. PLUS it isn't forcing anything, it is encouraging. We want a healthy population, and I think encouraging without forced activity helps us get there without an overbearing government 5) Weapons, in the wrong hands, can be very dangerous, and I'd like to make sure we aren't selling to our enemies. I would compromise on this, choosing another alternative to protect the flow of arms, but I cannot allow completely unregulated arms dealing. |
| Date | 15:11:38, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Centrist Action | To | Debating the Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09 |
| Message | I am taking out what was Article 1, leaving Healthcare alone |
| Date | 12:14:31, March 05, 2009 CET | From | Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Healthcare Bill, 3/3/09 |
| Message | As for sports clubs, from where I come from football(soccer) clubs have always been owned by localities in which they where and I think government should let local governments decide on policy regarding sport clubs(as was before that infamous JLC anti-bill). Article 2, well I don't think any doctor is going to do that but ok, not much of an issue for me. Article 4, there is reasonable amount of people who claim that vaccinations are in fact bad for health, of course easiest way to refute their claims is to call them religious fanatics, wackos etc. Article 5, I believe selling conventional weapons without regulations is fundamental right of every trader, like selling tools(chainsaws,hammers),medicine,food etc. Anyway CNP disagrees with 3 articles and , we're indifferent on one, so obviously we vote against. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 65 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 72 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 73 |
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