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Bill: High Counsellor, 2720
Details
Submitted by[?]: Front Canrillaise
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2721
Description[?]:
| This bill proposes the title of High Counsellor, who will head the Privy Council and advise Rildanorian Monarchs. The High Counsellor can serve to be the bridge between the Crown and the Senate, who will be both the monarch's representative in the Senate when the Queen is absent and representative of the government when advising her. It also gives the parties greater roles in having some single elected high figure. Articles: 1. The High Counsellor shall simultaneously serve as Speaker of the Senate and Head of the Privy Council and the Royal Household 2. The High Counsellor shall provide the Monarch with weekly updates and advice, with or without the Prime Minister or his/her consent 3. The High Counsellor shall perform the public duties of the Monarch when he/she is unavailable, though his/her permission would be required 4. The High Counsellor shall, in principle, be above partisan politics and serve to foster greater cooperation between the political parties |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Le représentant de sa majesté Reine Thérèse des Rildanoriens, le gouverneur général
Current: Chef de l'État Rildanorien (Head of the Rildanorian State)
Proposed: Reine Thérèse des Rildanoriens, représenté par le Haut-Conseiller
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:58:21, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Alliance Socialiste Conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | Sounds good to us. |
| Date | 01:10:40, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | may I suggest the title "Reine Thérèse des Rildanoriens, représenté par le Stadtholder" And I don't really see the point of having a representative of a monarchy if we are the only state with this particular Royal House. |
| Date | 01:12:37, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | and no...a Governor is the monarch's representative in a colony. A GG is the monarch's/Crown's representative in a Sovereign State |
| Date | 01:14:03, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | OOC: Aristocrates Rildanoriens, you should know that seeing as you're a Canadian |
| Date | 03:36:12, March 04, 2009 CET | From |  Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | OOC: Well I meant that it is a title used in a country where the sovereign is absent; the mother country (e.g. Britain) does not have a Governor General. IC: Statdholder would be inappropriate, given that it's more Dutch than French and signifies an actual executive leader. The Grand Counsellor can serve to be the bridge between the Crown and the Senate, who will be both the monarch's representative in the Senate when the Queen is absent and representative of the government when advising her. It also gives the parties greater roles in having some single elected high figure. |
| Date | 03:49:06, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | Before I put this to a vote, are there any other functions that the Grand Counsellor can/should perform, just so parties can actually fight for the title? |
| Date | 05:34:27, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | I still find the title "Grand Counsellor" to be a bit odd. How about something like "Consul" instead? |
| Date | 05:44:48, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | or "Lieutenant"? (Lord Lieutenant) |
| Date | 05:46:27, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | or Regent |
| Date | 05:50:59, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | or Commissioner |
| Date | 05:55:48, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | or Administrateur |
| Date | 05:58:30, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | OOC: oh btw, yes Great Britain has no need to as members of the Royal Family would usually fill that role when the Queen is out of the country |
| Date | 06:02:36, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | or Le Chef (Chief) |
| Date | 06:17:49, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | Consul, again, refers to some executive title, which conflict with the prime minister. All the others are confusing or contradictory to our constitutional monarchy (i.e. Regent is for when the monarch is too young or incapacitated, Commissioner relates mostly to a representative in a foreign country, Administrator sounds like a bureaucrat, and Chief is just odd. |
| Date | 06:24:37, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | What about High Councillor (Haut-Conseiller)? It is important to note that the office is mainly consultative and does not hold any real executive power, like the prime minister and his cabinet. |
| Date | 19:20:28, March 04, 2009 CET | From | Parti progressiste-conservateur | To | Debating the High Counsellor, 2720 |
| Message | Haut-Conseiller is acceptable |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 500 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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