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Bill: Secret Service Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2126
Description[?]:
| Counterintelligence only will deliver enough protection. We believe we should take part in defensive alliances and share information |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:42:14, October 14, 2005 CET | From |  Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Secret Service Act |
| Message | This handcuffs the nation's ability to do what might might need be done without giving us anything in return. There is no actual 'must' when it comes to covert operations, it only gives us the ability to do so if deemed important. In return for giving this up - this role, our nation gets nothing in return other than less ability to keep the nation secure. We feel that such a law is not in the interest of the nation. |
| Date | 21:14:03, October 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Secret Service Act |
| Message | "All types of covert operations in other countries" basically means having an agency that can interfere in other nations, assassinating people, fomenting rebellion etc. This is precisely the sort of activity that a certain RL country has been doing throughout the globe for decades and thereby justifying the attitude that the rest of the world has towards that country. We should avoid being perceived in the same way, and limiting the extent of the operations of our intelligence community is an essential part of it. |
| Date | 00:57:07, October 15, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Secret Service Act |
| Message | LP... 'a certain RL country'... 'a'??? Most nations, and I'll go out on a limb and say ALL nations who have the actual ability do in fact reserve the right to do these types of missions. France, Germany, Russia, China, the UK, and yes the US all do these activities. Add in Columbia, Argentina, South Korea, Israel, and many nations in the Middle East and we see a pattern develop, don't we? But I guess for some parties here, what they don't know can not hurt them. How very wrong. |
| Date | 07:46:32, October 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Secret Service Act |
| Message | It may strictly be true that some other countries partake in some level of covert action from time to time, but few if any have been at the staggering level of the CIA. Let's not forget that the CIA has been involved in the drug trade in Asia, has attempted various assassinations (in peacetime) of major figures. In 1996, the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence reported that that the CIA and affiliates breaks 'extremely serious laws' in countries around the world some 100,000 times a year (quote: The CS [clandestine service] is the only part of the IC [intelligence community], indeed of the government, where hundreds of employees on a daily basis are directed to break extremely serious laws in countries around the world in the face of frequently sophisticated efforts by foreign governments to catch them. A safe estimate is that several hundred times every day (easily 100,000 times a year) DO [Directorate of Operations] officers engage in highly illegal activities (according to foreign law) that not only risk political embarrassment to the US but also endanger the freedom if not lives of the participating foreign nationals and, more than occasionally, of the clandestine officer himself. - http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/intel/ic21/ic21_toc.html, section IX). Moreover, the fact that some other nations also commit such brazenly illegal activities is hardly justification for us to be doing it ourselves. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 242 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 313 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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