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Bill: Religious Identity Bill of 2732
Details
Submitted by[?]: League of St. Gabriel
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2733
Description[?]:
| With regards to Article 1, we feel that both legislations have roughly the same effect. In practice, screening individuals always involves a look at the religion in a practical sense. With regards to article 2, we feel that religions should be allowed to have a non-profit status, and thus should not be taxed so long as they maintain this status. We only put the restriction of a "recognized" religion in order to avoid unscrupulous groups or individuals trying to gain false exemptions. We at the League of St. Gabriel believe in forging a cohesive religious identity throughout the nation based on a common religion. While the religion of the majority of the people shall be considered the "national" religion, there shall be no obligation to join nor practice it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Current: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Proposed: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:50:52, March 28, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Religious Identity Bill of 2732 |
| Message | The Liberal Party holds as one of its core principles the clear division between State and Church. We feel Article 1 is discriminatory no matter whether it is done to religions, people of a certain race or culture, or organizations. We many consider Article 2 in the future but we want to make sure that religious institutions truly keep their word and act in a non-profit basis. Article 3 is against our principle of State and Church. Since public schools are funded by the government and we do not have a national recognized religion, it is inappropriate and unnecessary to impose "prayer" upon those who do not wish to do so. Religious schools are private entities and those enrolled know the clear purpose (charter) of the school. Article 4 is definitely against our ideal and we must add that having a recognized state religion is simple discriminating against those of other religions and non-believers. Therefore, we oppose this bill as it stands. |
| Date | 18:56:00, March 28, 2009 CET | From | League of St. Gabriel | To | Debating the Religious Identity Bill of 2732 |
| Message | On Article 3: We wish to devolve the rights of regulating prayer to a local level. There are districts which will be more religious than one another. A state religion need not be recognized or discriminating. The Anglican Church is the official church of England, but other faiths are permitted to co-exist among English citizens, and discrimination is illegal. The Church of Sweden is the official, symbolic religion of Sweden, but the Swedes are known to be progressive and openminded. The reason why membership is voluntary is that nobody is required to join to recieve rights as citizens, and people who do not join will not be discriminated against. |
| Date | 18:56:38, March 28, 2009 CET | From | League of St. Gabriel | To | Debating the Religious Identity Bill of 2732 |
| Message | On Article 3: We wish to devolve the rights of regulating prayer to a local level. There are districts which will be more religious than one another. A state religion need not be recognized or discriminating. The Anglican Church is the official church of England, but other faiths are permitted to co-exist among English citizens, and discrimination is illegal. The Church of Sweden is the official, symbolic religion of Sweden, but the Swedes are known to be progressive and openminded. The reason why membership is voluntary is that nobody is required to join to recieve rights as citizens, and people who do not join will not be discriminated against. |
| Date | 18:56:56, March 28, 2009 CET | From | League of St. Gabriel | To | Debating the Religious Identity Bill of 2732 |
| Message | On Article 3: We wish to devolve the rights of regulating prayer to a local level. There are districts which will be more religious than one another. A state religion need not be recognized or discriminating. The Anglican Church is the official church of England, but other faiths are permitted to co-exist among English citizens, and discrimination is illegal. The Church of Sweden is the official, symbolic religion of Sweden, but the Swedes are known to be progressive and openminded. The reason why membership is voluntary is that nobody is required to join to recieve rights as citizens, and people who do not join will not be discriminated against. |
| Date | 20:03:16, March 28, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Religious Identity Bill of 2732 |
| Message | OOC: For the second part of your post which talks about real life please use OOC. That way it is easy to understand what you are trying to say. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |
| no |
Total Seats: 71 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
| Random fact: Culturally Open nations can adopt advisory/non-enforceable Nation Descriptions. See http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6242 |
| Random quote: "The substance of the eminent Socialist gentlemen's speech is that making a profit is a sin. It is my belief that the real sin is taking a loss!" - Winston Churchill |