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Bill: Exclusionary Secession
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2158
Description[?]:
Any citizen or group of citizens may choose to designate any land they own as an exclusionary free settlement. Such an area shall become, for all legal and actual purposes, outside of Lodamun's authority. The inhabitants will not be permitted to pay taxes, recieve government benefits, or work outside of the settlement without a visa and tax penalties. They may choose to freely move out of such a settlement, and return to Lodamun. No products may be sold into or out of the settlements without specific permission and conditions decided by the minister of internal affairs.
The laws of the Five Natoins of Lodamun shall not be enforceable within the settlements, however the owners and inhabitants can be held liable for harboring Lodamese criminals. The inhabitants shall forfeit their rights to vote as well.
No person may join such a community without the voluntary agreement of all parties involved.
All native tribes, or other such person already qualifying for this, shall be permitted to choose to form such an exclusionary free settlement. No legal penalties may be assessed on those who prematurely take advantage of this law, should it pass.
The free settlements may not be used as bases to harm Lodamun citizens. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:25:35, October 18, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | Add: "The free settlements may not be used as bases to harm Lodamun citizens." They may not, for instance, legalize slavery and then raid Lodamun for slaves. Nor may they set up a giant factory smokestack to disperse their pollution into Lodamun.
Add also: "The government of the Five Nations retains responsibility for foreign policy and defence." |
| Date | 18:56:41, October 18, 2005 CET |
From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | Would it be permitted for them to set up factories, etc. however being liable for any pollution and subject to punitive damages in suits? |
| Date | 18:58:58, October 18, 2005 CET |
From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | "The government of the Five Nations retains responsibility for foreign policy and defence."
Can you clarity this? I thought it was implied. |
| Date | 21:28:42, October 18, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | It states settlements will be outside Lodamun's authority. It needs to be clarified that Lodamun's right to conduct foreign policy and defence are maintained. Lodamun must also be able to prevent harm coming to Lodamun citizens through irresponsible polluting by free settlements. Punitive damages after the fact are (1) no help to restoreing already damaged ecosystems and (2) undercut the bill's intent by making Lodamun law apply within the free communities. |
| Date | 22:48:55, October 18, 2005 CET |
From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | The ability to be held accountable for one's actions is the best way to prevent destructive behavior. Punitive and actual damages address this. They should be permitted to pollute in such a way that it does not harm others.
Lodamun law won't apply, but these people will not gain any special priveledges to harm others who opt to remain in Lodamun. |
| Date | 19:29:29, October 19, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | If Lodamun cannot intervene to stop harm to Lodamun citizens *while it is happening,* but only can after the fact, then we will have to vote against a proposal which we otherwise support whole-heartedly as a localaization of power and part of our long-term goal of dismantling central government authority. |
| Date | 04:28:12, October 20, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Exclusionary Secession | | Message | Zing! Lodamun's environmental standards must be protected from pollution by the free communities, that's all. They can't set up a giant smokestack to send us their pollution. It's merely an interpretation of our suggested wording. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 81 |
| no | Total Seats: 19 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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