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Bill: Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Centrist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2744
Description[?]:
| I was recently contacted by the president of Rutania regarding a bilateral treaty between our countries, in order to improve relations and cooperation. This treaty would include a defence as well as a legal-harmonization pact on important issues. Before this treaty is created, I wish to know what you, the parties of Aloria, think of this idea and proposals you might want to add. President Michael O'Riley |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:43:51, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | In terms of trade, Trade Minister Manuel Panilan is open to the possibility of better trade relations with Rutania. In terms of defence, we believe that we should only be involved in DEFENSIVE wars that involves the threatening of Aloria's security; however, we will be open for suggestions in the most extreme cases. We are also open to providing medical aid relief to Rutania in times of war, provided that it be at a moderate level. |
| Date | 17:47:04, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | Dear Members of the National Congress of Aloria, Rutania thinks that Aloria has always been a wonderful neighbour and partner. The two countries always helped each other as it happened during the first Nova Terra wars and the recent Alorian economic crisis. But our relationships should be strenghtened and institutionalized. I understand your reluctance to involve Aloria into a large-scale military issues. Yet, one thing must be understood. Both Aloria and Rutania are medium sized powers. If we want to make our lifes secure and to address our interest in a more successful manner, together we can be more effective. The Foreign Ministry of Rutania will drat the treaty but we are waiting for you suggestions and proposal. We could make a permanent framework of dialogue, to know about the issues on the agenda of both countries. A common stance on some issues would boost our influence on the world. Both countries are members of the Walburg Group and the UNT, both countries have similar domestic problems, so there are much in common. Feel free to express your concerns ideas by discussing with President O'Riley or by writing directly to my office. I thank you for your attention! Lord Klausenburg, President of Rutania |
| Date | 20:08:05, April 20, 2009 CET | From | New Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | The Alliance would like better relations with Rutania but feel that political union on certain issues prevents the Alorian government from reforming this country because Rutania does not feel the same way |
| Date | 20:32:43, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | Rutania assures that the treaty would not imply any interference in the internal affairs of the two states. |
| Date | 18:05:18, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | GPA'S RESPONSE TO THE TREATY: I.) Aloria and Rutania agree to maintain friendly relations and to cooperate in all vital areas. - Define "vital areas" II.)Aloria and Rutania agree to foster positive and friendly business and economic relations between two countries. No quotas shall be imposed by either signatories. Not tariffs levied under this agreement. Complete and free trade between the two states. - We believe in "Alorian First". We want to give more priority to Alorian products and businesses by imposing possible tariffs and quotas in the near future. III.)Aloria and Rutania agree to simplify the passage procedure on the common border of the two states. - Passage procedure shall be made equal for all countries in good relations with Aloria. IV.)Aloria and Rutania agree that they will not attack under any circumstances whilst signed to this treaty the other country in anyway. Attacking the other country in this treaty once signed will be totally illegal. One or both of the two signatories would have to removed their country from this treaty once signed, if they felt military action was necessary. - This we can agree. We believe in having the military work on defensive wars that threaten Alorian security. V.)Aloria and Rutania firmly promise that if a problem arises between the two signatories that they will support a period of diplomacy (discussions, negotiations and debate) before thinking about removing themselves from this treaty in order to proceed with military action. - Agreed. VI.)Aloria and Rutania agree that in case one of the two signatories is attacked by a third part, the other state will immediately provide military and financial aid to the attacked signatory. - Misleading. If the case pinpoints Rutania being at fault, it is a big insult to our sense of ethics and morality to support a country that is on the wrong side. Also, we firmly believe in involvement in defensive wars alone; thus, Aloria should serve as negotiator and provider of medical and social aid. However, it shall not provide military aid. VII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to create programs for intelligence personell. - Under question. VIII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to hold joint military exercises every 4 years. - Under question. IX.) Aloria and Rutania cooperate also in areas of Education, Culture and Science. And actively engage in local tourism and cultural activities between our two nations. Cultural exchanges, students traveling abroad to study given tuition breaks and many other humanitarian items. - Agreed. X.) Aloria and Rutania agree to mainain permanent dialogue between the two Heads of State. - Agreed. XI.) Aloria and Rutania agree to establish a common news agency which ensures the proper information about the vital issues of the two signatories. - Unnecessary, and might become a threat to our political independence as a nation. XII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to provide financial aid or aid of foodstuffs with the concrete purpose of avoiding humanitarian disasters in the two states. - Confusing. This would be better off being performed independently by each nation's government. XIII.)Aloria and Rutania agree to consult each other about major international events and decisions. - Negotiable. XIV.)Aloria and Rutania recognizes the complete freedom of action regading internal affairs. None of the signatories can intervene in the domestic affairs of the other part. - Misleading. Contradictory to Article V, which says that we should provide military and financial aid to Rutania when they have been attacked by another nation, which appears to be intervention with internal affairs. XV.)Aloria and Rutania agrees that both of the signatories must announce the other part with 6 months prior to withdrawal from the treaty. - Okay. |
| Date | 18:06:37, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | Since the treaty is somewhat questionable as of this moment, we change our vote to NO. |
| Date | 18:41:06, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Centrist Party | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | These are the comments from the DCP; amendments where nothing is written below are those that are fine by us. Signatories: The Government of the Democratic Republic of Aloria and the Government of the Commonwealth of Rutania I.) Aloria and Rutania agree to maintain friendly relations and to cooperate in all vital areas. II.)Aloria and Rutania agree to foster positive and friendly business and economic relations between two countries. No quotas shall be imposed by either signatories. Not tariffs levied under this agreement. Complete and free trade between the two states. III.)Aloria and Rutania agree to simplify the passage procedure on the common border of the two states. IV.)Aloria and Rutania agree that they will not attack under any circumstances whilst signed to this treaty the other country in anyway. Attacking the other country in this treaty once signed will be totally illegal. One or both of the two signatories would have to removed their country from this treaty once signed, if they felt military action was necessary V.)Aloria and Rutania firmly promise that if a problem arises between the two signatories that they will support a period of diplomacy (discussions, negotiations and debate) before thinking about removing themselves from this treaty in order to proceed with military action. VI.)Aloria and Rutania agree that in case one of the two signatories is attacked by a third part, the other state will immediately provide military and financial aid to the attacked signatory. - We wish for Aloria to stay out of wars as much as possible, and therefore we would prefer to not be forced, with military means, to enter hostile conflicts. We would however support aid in the form of medical och humanitarian products. VII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to create programs for intelligence personell. VIII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to hold joint military exercises every 4 years. IX.) Aloria and Rutania cooperate also in areas of Education, Culture and Science. And actively engage in local tourism and cultural activities between our two nations. Cultural exchanges, students traveling abroad to study given tuition breaks and many other humanitarian items. X.) Aloria and Rutania agree to mainain permanent dialogue between the two Heads of State. XI.) Aloria and Rutania agree to establish a common news agency which ensures the proper information about the vital issues of the two signatories. - We do not feel this is necessary, news services in both countries are enough to inform the public. XII.) Aloria and Rutania agree to provide financial aid or aid of foodstuffs with the concrete purpose of avoiding humanitarian disasters in the two states. XIII.)Aloria and Rutania agree to consult each other about major international events and decisions. - Depending on the issue XIV.)Aloria and Rutania recognizes the complete freedom of action regading internal affairs. None of the signatories can intervene in the domestic affairs of the other part. XV.)Aloria and Rutania agrees that both of the signatories must announce the other part with 6 months prior to withdrawal from the treaty |
| Date | 19:24:18, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | We understand the objections of the national paties of Aloria. As the voting stands now, We see no point in conducting further negotiations on this issue. Aloria refused this particular treaty. Rutania aknowledged it. If Aloria would have other type of proposal, we are open to discuss it. Until then the relationship of the two state remains in the current framework. Andreas Martinuzzi -Speaker of the Presidential Office of Rutania |
| Date | 19:24:49, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Centre Democrats | To | Debating the Improved Aloria-Rutania Relations |
| Message | We are absolut pro internationalism. So YES |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 324 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 315 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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