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Bill: Reintroduction of State Religions

Details

Submitted by[?]: National Imperial Hobrazian Front

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2757

Description[?]:

Since Hobrazia has two native faiths, Hobaism and the Hobrazian Orthodox Church, we wish to honor them by making them official state religions. However, this measure is only symbolic and adherence is no mandated.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date06:21:42, May 09, 2009 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageBy honoring specific groups you are dishonoring others. I wonder what the point of introducing purely symbolic measures is other than to divide and weaken the unity of the people?

Date15:15:31, May 09, 2009 CET
FromK'avshiri rk'ina
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageWe support this.

Date00:47:21, May 11, 2009 CET
FromNational Imperial Hobrazian Front
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
Message"By honoring specific groups you are dishonoring others." How? The only reason that these two faiths are so honored is because they are natively Hobrazian. How would this weaken or divide Hobrazia's unity? People of all religions have coexisted peacefully in our fine nation for generations.

Date05:49:01, May 11, 2009 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageThe bill promotes division simply because by it DIVIDES people between those who follow and do not follow the state religion. It dishonors other religions because it does not bestow the same honor upon them - thus reducing their prestige to a second rate status. Noting past artificial "harmony" when religious minorities were willing to accept their inferior status is behind us. Waxing nostalgia may be appealing in these troubled times, but the URP doubts that religious minorities will return to their cage smiling after living as equals for many years.

The CSP fails to explain why a bill with no point should be passed. The only point in the eyes of the URP is to aggrandize the Christian followers of the CSP and satiate their petty desire for moral superiority.


Date23:50:43, May 11, 2009 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageWe fully support the reintroduction of support for the State religions. We also question how, as the URP puts it, "introducing purely symbolic measures" weakens the unity of the people or dishonours other religions.

Date00:06:26, May 12, 2009 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageSymbols have the power to unite and divide. Or is this concept too complex?

Date06:36:12, May 12, 2009 CET
FromNational Imperial Hobrazian Front
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageThe bill does not divide people into groups, and the rights of all minorities are well-protected under current Hobrazian law. It does not require a census or group identification and does not give any benefit or penalty to practioners of the aforementioned faiths, followers of other faiths, or skeptics.

We fail to understand how this bill will satiate Orthodox adherents' "petty desire for moral superiority" as the CSP's manifesto clearly states that we are not governed by a "desire to implement a Christian state or serve a religious agenda." Any attempt to do so would be against our beliefs and any CSP member espousing such an ideology would be banned from the Party. This objection is further undermined by the fact that Hobaism, a non-Christian religion, was mentioned also in the bill; in fact, it was mentioned before the Hobrazian Orthodox Church.

Date23:18:04, May 12, 2009 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageWe echo the sentiments of our right honourable colleagues of the CSP.

Date01:04:30, May 13, 2009 CET
FromUnited Republics Party
ToDebating the Reintroduction of State Religions
MessageI've already outlined why this bill is divisive. I'm not objecting to specifics such as census data or such, I'm opposed to symbolically elevating certain groups over others. The CSP still fails to offer a compelling argument as to why such a bill is necessary and has yet to refute my specific claims other than continuing to express confusion or ignorance on the issue.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
    

Total Seats: 189

no
  

Total Seats: 60

abstain
  

Total Seats: 151


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