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Bill: Reintroduction of State Religions
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Imperial Hobrazian Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2757
Description[?]:
Since Hobrazia has two native faiths, Hobaism and the Hobrazian Orthodox Church, we wish to honor them by making them official state religions. However, this measure is only symbolic and adherence is no mandated. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 06:21:42, May 09, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | By honoring specific groups you are dishonoring others. I wonder what the point of introducing purely symbolic measures is other than to divide and weaken the unity of the people? |
Date | 15:15:31, May 09, 2009 CET | From | K'avshiri rk'ina | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | We support this. |
Date | 00:47:21, May 11, 2009 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | "By honoring specific groups you are dishonoring others." How? The only reason that these two faiths are so honored is because they are natively Hobrazian. How would this weaken or divide Hobrazia's unity? People of all religions have coexisted peacefully in our fine nation for generations. |
Date | 05:49:01, May 11, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | The bill promotes division simply because by it DIVIDES people between those who follow and do not follow the state religion. It dishonors other religions because it does not bestow the same honor upon them - thus reducing their prestige to a second rate status. Noting past artificial "harmony" when religious minorities were willing to accept their inferior status is behind us. Waxing nostalgia may be appealing in these troubled times, but the URP doubts that religious minorities will return to their cage smiling after living as equals for many years. The CSP fails to explain why a bill with no point should be passed. The only point in the eyes of the URP is to aggrandize the Christian followers of the CSP and satiate their petty desire for moral superiority. |
Date | 23:50:43, May 11, 2009 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | We fully support the reintroduction of support for the State religions. We also question how, as the URP puts it, "introducing purely symbolic measures" weakens the unity of the people or dishonours other religions. |
Date | 00:06:26, May 12, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | Symbols have the power to unite and divide. Or is this concept too complex? |
Date | 06:36:12, May 12, 2009 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | The bill does not divide people into groups, and the rights of all minorities are well-protected under current Hobrazian law. It does not require a census or group identification and does not give any benefit or penalty to practioners of the aforementioned faiths, followers of other faiths, or skeptics. We fail to understand how this bill will satiate Orthodox adherents' "petty desire for moral superiority" as the CSP's manifesto clearly states that we are not governed by a "desire to implement a Christian state or serve a religious agenda." Any attempt to do so would be against our beliefs and any CSP member espousing such an ideology would be banned from the Party. This objection is further undermined by the fact that Hobaism, a non-Christian religion, was mentioned also in the bill; in fact, it was mentioned before the Hobrazian Orthodox Church. |
Date | 23:18:04, May 12, 2009 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | We echo the sentiments of our right honourable colleagues of the CSP. |
Date | 01:04:30, May 13, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Reintroduction of State Religions |
Message | I've already outlined why this bill is divisive. I'm not objecting to specifics such as census data or such, I'm opposed to symbolically elevating certain groups over others. The CSP still fails to offer a compelling argument as to why such a bill is necessary and has yet to refute my specific claims other than continuing to express confusion or ignorance on the issue. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 189 | ||||
no | Total Seats: 60 | ||||
abstain | Total Seats: 151 |
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