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Bill: Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment

Details

Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2131

Description[?]:

Due to a recent opinion poll, the people only want the Head of State to propose Cabinet Bills.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:31:43, October 18, 2005 CET
FromSocial Dynamist Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
MessageWe vehemently oppose. Our early history is testament to the congestion that occurs if the Head of State's party does not have the support of the majority.

The RiP also know their candidates are most often the winners of such elections, and this bill would often give them a veto over the Council, cementing their position in government.

<|You know the poll is a known bug, right?|>

Date22:36:54, October 18, 2005 CET
FromRightist Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
Message*yes but I don't care! LOL*

This isn't a power grab as the representative from the SDP is making it out to believe. It is customary that the party that is at the head of state or government (if hereditary HoS) proposes a cabinet. I see no difference why we should have any ole party propose it.

As to your early history, there was no way where you could've formed a cabinet with like minded individuals. Now you can so why shouldn't we award such pleasures?

Date22:51:30, October 18, 2005 CET
FromSocial Dynamist Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
Message"It is customary that the party that is at the head of state or government (if hereditary HoS) proposes a cabinet."
It has been custom for almost ninety years for the cabinet to represent the largest group in the parliament, and we have not had a hereditary HoS since the Maayanster regime. The HoG is defined by the cabinet. Perhaps the RiP has been spending too long in other countries

"I see no difference why we should have any ole party propose it."
If (say) RiP wins a majority in Council but the SDP candidate wins the Chieftainship, Great the SDP could severely compromise the effectiveness of parliament by proposing only cabinets with a disproportionate number of SDP ministers.
More realistically, if one bloc has a majority, but the GC is of a different bloc (as per the most recent election), the GC may bloc any attempt to form a cabinet with majority support.

"As to your early history, there was no way where you could've formed a cabinet with like minded individuals"
Our constitution should not be varied according to circumstantial political expediency!

Date23:38:32, October 18, 2005 CET
FromInactive
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
MessageOur early history made it so there was no cabinet for a while We oppose

Date04:41:39, October 19, 2005 CET
FromPatriot Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
MessageWe support the motion though we know it will not pass.

Date06:02:12, October 20, 2005 CET
FromFreedom Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
MessageWe oppose this. There's too easy a chance of an oligarchy of sorts.

Date10:21:52, October 23, 2005 CET
FromSocial Dynamist Party
ToDebating the Change in Cabinet Proposal Amendment
MessageTo a vote, then?

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 115

no
    

Total Seats: 140

abstain
  

Total Seats: 44


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