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Bill: Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Republics Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2761
Description[?]:
| The Imperium Congress expresses its belief that Alexandra Neesam is unable to perform her duties to its satisfaction and asks that the Emperor to propose a new cabinet more fit to properly execute its duties. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:00:21, May 22, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | The United Republics Party having already blocked First Party ambitions to regain control of the UNT ambassadorship now questions Alexandra Neesam's suitability to retain her Foreign Ministry post. Similar to previous URP concerns that the FP owed a political debt to Lodamun for granting asylum to its leaders, recent comments from Dominic Neesam that Luthori "offered aid and safety to our people," concerns us. It's pretty clear to the URP that the Luthori aided the First Party's misguided insurrection and stoked violence in our country. Transmission of propoganda called "Radio Free Terra" was transmitted into Hobrazia to expand instability. Luthori ships blockaded international shipping lanes causing severe declines in trade both in Hobrazia and Terra-wide. These criminal actions deserve condemnation rather than praise. Hobrazia can add another nation it is politically beholden to. What more proof does one need than the fact that Emperor Maximilian III wants to knight FP leaders literally making those we expect to protect Hobrazia vassals of a foreign ruler. The offer of knighthood was not politely rejected as one would expect but enthusiastically accepted. Hobrazia must stand free, but it cannot do so with the First Party selling out Hobrazian interests on such a vast scale. |
| Date | 01:36:35, May 23, 2009 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | Hobrazia cannot make forward progress by holding on the past vestiges. |
| Date | 01:47:13, May 23, 2009 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | The Emperor is confident of Mr. Neesam's competence and is fairly pleased by his performance so far. It is true that the FP made transgressions in the past, but in the sake of coalition unity, we implore the URP to drop this proposal. We need team players are such a critical time. |
| Date | 01:47:51, May 23, 2009 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | *at such a critical time. |
| Date | 04:45:44, May 23, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | The idea that a Foreign Minister of a party whose leaders are to be knighted by a foreign regime is insane. I thought the FP might be a disaster when i voted for the cabinet, and i was right. I already took a leap of faith in the disloyal FP however the disloyalty of that party has not remained in "the past vestiges" but continues to expand. |
| Date | 04:59:01, May 23, 2009 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | The URP get more paranoid by the day. the First Party is selling Hobrazia, never we are working to save Hobrazia and we were doing that far earlier than yourselves. You claim that we started an inserrection, did your own party not at first work with the Nova Terran government, only then leave but try to keep power in your own 'granted' sector. You cannot question First Party loyality, we have served the people of this nation for generations and we have never done anything against the interests of this nation. Just beacuse the Emperor of Luthori wishes to knight First Party leaders does not mean we will be vassals. The titles will not count in Hobrazia. We as stated have had as a party and a nation a long standing alliance with Luthori, we should not throw it away beacuse you cannot let go of the past and must cling to the concept that we cannot be friends with nations we have been friends with for generations because you do not like them. We are happy to move on from the past, look to the future, a new future for Hobrazia but that means shedding the mania that took over from Nova Terra, we suggest that you and ourselves put our grudges aside and help to build a new hobrazia. |
| Date | 10:14:53, May 23, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | I am proud how I governed my sector. It was a refuge of free speech and liberty in an otherwise dark world. I also proudly arrested and ordered executions of rebels and lawbreakers. I did not leave the Nova Terra bloc because I regretted my actions against traitors because I was acting in accordance with Hobrazian law unlike the FP who resorted to unlawful murder. I left the old regime because the Nova Terran Unification Treaty would have threatened the sovereignty of Hobrazia. I respect the sovereignty of Hobrazia and that is why I raise these objections it's not "paranoia" it's consistency! I do continue to question your "loyalty" since you obviously have no loyalty to Hobrazian law - insurrection; the Imperium Congress - refusal of the UNT ambassador to return as required; or our nation's dignity - accepting knighthood from a barbarian prince. I question the friendship of the Luthori for our people since I previously outlined all the actions they took against our nation - spreading propaganda, supporting a rebellion, blockading international waters, participating in Cobra Loda a provocative act clearly directed against us. How can we embrace this nation when their actions killed so many? We're told to ignore the death, chaos, and economic turmoil caused by these Luthori acts. We're told to "move on from the past, look to the future," yet in the same breath the FP uses the past to justify its own self-serving actions claiming generations of friendship. I bow to the logic of my colleague and upon deep reflection concede that recent, specific actions taken against the welfare our people should be ignored and the broad, unspecific claim of "friendship" should not. The United Republics Party values the wisdom of the past. It saw the disloyalty of the First Party when its ambassador refused to return to Hobrazia at the request of the democratically elected Imperium Congress and sought refuge under a Lodamese dictatorship. The URP noted the pettiness of promoting bloody civil war because the FP simply lost its hold on power. We raised these issues; yelling loudly enough for all of Hobrazia to hear. We were told to ignore these disputes and look to the future. In that future rather than correcting its actions, the FP continued to betray the Imperium by accepting knighthoods from a regime responsible for countless Hobrazian deaths. We clamored again only to be told that the FP valued its own dubious friendships and personal accolades over Hobrazian national interests. I disagree with the First Party on many issues yet completely agree that Hobrazia must look to the future - a future without the First Party. |
| Date | 15:50:14, May 23, 2009 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Vote of No Confidence in Foreign Affairs Minister Alexandra Neesam |
| Message | We can assure you now taht we will never abandon the Hobrazian people. We remind the URP we have serevd for generations. Our actions in the dark days of Nova Terra were forced upon us, when they started to murder and arrest our members. That may be under what at the time was 'Hobrazian law' so then you must accept that Lodamun is working under its law, you class that as dictatorship and thus Hobrazia must have been a dictatorship a dictatorship you willing helped set up for your own power. You cling to this idea that we are not loyal to the people, would we have defended them from Darnussian aggression in the past, would we have at one point even defended against our now ally Luthori in the past. Our relationship changed,we worked together for a brighter future a future where two nations can exist side by side in peace, because you see them a barbaric and a dictatorship we are not allowed to be friends with them, yet you took part in a dictatorship government, you want your ideals to have precident over all others, you want us to distance ourselves from Lodamun and Luthori beacuse you do not like them. And agin you still hold the view that we should be banned and illegal, Hobrazia without a First Party, that is a sure sign that you still hold some of Nova Terras views, that no political party that is willing to stand up for what it belives in if it is opposite your own is allowed, i am glad we live once again in a free nation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 109 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 200 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 91 |
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