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Bill: The Armed Forces Act II (repeal)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2762
Description[?]:
| As we have previously stated, this repeal is a condition in our stance on entering government, if either of our two partners refuses to support it then all bets are off. We are however open to amendments on the landmine issue as long as the principle of civilian control of the military is respected. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Current: Homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military actively seeks to remove homosexuals from it.
Proposed: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Current: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Proposed: Women serve alongside men.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:25:16, May 25, 2009 CET | From |  Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | We agreed with article 1 and 3, but disagreed with article 2. It's our firm belief that while women should have equal right to men that it's also important to notice the physical difference and that women may better served as medic, pilot, and other support position for both themself and the Imperial Armed Forces. |
| Date | 06:29:52, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Federalist Party | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | Would the DP be willing to accept gender-segregated units? That way, if a commander feels female troops are inadequate for a particular task they may not use them while at the same time undoing the indignity recently suffered by those female officers and NCOs in combat units who were effectively decommissioned on account of their gender. |
| Date | 06:30:05, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Marxist Party (BIC) | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | What is wrong with openly Homosexual soldiers in our military? Our Militias have openly gay soldiers within the ranks, it has not affected their ability to fight or perform their duty to the party. |
| Date | 06:36:00, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Federalist Party | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | To DMP: This bill would restore the right to open homosexuality in the military, you voted against the first Armed Forces Bill, please help us now to repeal it! |
| Date | 06:37:47, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Marxist Party (BIC) | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | I understand that this bill supports our proud troops who choose a different path than others, I was directing my comment to the DP. |
| Date | 06:45:26, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | As a minister of defence, I must deny any report of decommissioning of Female officers and NCOS who had been in combat unit before. Most of them have been reassigned to others unit such as MP, Medic, and Intel. With regards to DMP, we believe that open homosexuality in the military may leads to dishonorable action by the group of soldiers in the future. While we accept their right and have fight for it in another bill, we don't want to destroy the honor of our armed forces. |
| Date | 06:48:56, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Federalist Party | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | That transfer is effectively a decommissioning for a soldier who has chosen a career as a frontline combat officer. May we ask bluntly, will the DP vote for this bill if it is amended to propose gender-segregated units? |
| Date | 06:54:44, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | "I feels that the federalist part misunderstood the term "decommissioning". Decommissioning is a general term for a formal process to remove something from active status. I must said that MP, medic, and intel are an active position and is a very important part of our armed forces and such things can't be considered as a decommisioning." Jonathan Carrick MP Minister of Defence "We will not vote to reinstated women to a combat positions as it will decrease the effectiveness of our armed forces and risked their life in battle." |
| Date | 06:57:12, May 25, 2009 CET | From | Federalist Party | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | In that case this bill and our coalition proposal are dead. |
| Date | 13:41:46, May 25, 2009 CET | From | One Nation Conservative Party | To | Debating the The Armed Forces Act II (repeal) |
| Message | It's generally better to leave bills open for debate for 24hours before putting to vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 157 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 243 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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