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Bill: Developmental Effectivness Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Knesset Yeshua
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2763
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to kill animals.
Old value:: Killing animals is legal but regulated.
Current: Killing animals is legal but regulated.
Proposed: Killing animals is legal and unregulated.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the ownership of domestic animals as pets.
Old value:: People must register domestic animals with the local government.
Current: People must register domestic animals with the local government.
Proposed: There are no laws regarding domestic animal ownership.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the keeping of exotic animals.
Old value:: Only zoos or zoological institutions are allowed to keep exotic animals.
Current: Only zoos or zoological institutions are allowed to keep exotic animals.
Proposed: Everyone may keep exotic animals, but the trade in exotic animals is regulated by the government.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of hunting.
Old value:: Hunting and fishing activities are restricted to designated areas and periods.
Current: The matters of hunting and fishing are handled by local governments.
Proposed: Hunting and fishing is not regulated.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of pollution in industry.
Old value:: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Current: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Proposed: The government provides pollution prevention guidelines, but does not enforce them.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: Only cars using environmentally friendly fuels are allowed.
Current: Only cars using environmentally friendly fuels are allowed.
Proposed: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government-sponsored recycling programs.
Old value:: The government funds recycling facilities but enforces mandatory recycling for industry only.
Current: The government funds recycling facilities and enforces mandatory recycling for residents, commercial enterprise, and industry.
Proposed: The government funds recycling facilities for public use.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:17:52, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Medinat Israel Shelanu | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | Are you serious? You say that you follow the laws of Torah...? |
| Date | 20:31:59, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Knesset Yeshua | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | Yes, I do. Torah does not dictate the amount of cats widowers can have. Please if you find a verse that will rebuke this law, please do tell me. Find one adequate verse that cannot be argued with, and i will amend this bill as such. I will offer this to public referendum, please see the national newspaper in about five minutes for results. |
| Date | 20:51:49, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Medinat Israel Shelanu | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | חחחחחחח, אתה פראייר 1) There is no verse in Torah that allows for the killing of animals without regulation/justification. 2) Most exotic animals (if not all) are not considered kosher. 3) There is also no verse in Torah that says you should go hunt (Killing animals) and fish all you want. ?אתה יהודי ...אני יודעה הכול |
| Date | 21:42:22, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Knesset Yeshua | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | To Reply: 1) Genesis 1:28 - וַיְבָ֣רֶךְ אֹתָם֮ אֱלֹהִים֒ וַיֹּ֨אמֶר לָהֶ֜ם אֱלֹהִ֗ים פְּר֥וּ וּרְב֛וּ וּמִלְא֥וּ אֶת־הָאָ֖רֶץ וְכִבְשֻׁ֑הָ וּרְד֞וּ בִּדְגַ֤ת הַיָּם֙ וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּבְכָל־חַיָּ֖ה הָֽרֹמֶ֥שֶׂת עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃ God blessed them [Humans] and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." 2) Kosher are explicitly dietery laws, The book of leviticus unauthorises the consumption of unclean food, it does not mention not keeping unclean animals as companions, only therafter that one should not fornicate with them. 3) There is no verse that says you should not. |
| Date | 21:44:59, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Knesset Yeshua | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | Basically, this bill is not being submitted from us as a talmudic restorative bill, but as a way of voicing public opinion. Please see the national newspaper. This bill is completely within torah. |
| Date | 22:01:21, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Medinat Israel Shelanu | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | 1) I think you don't fully understand it. "Rule over" doesn't mean kill/hunt animals/fish/etc as we wish without a reason. If you actually read the Torah instead of taking some important verses from the internet, you will know that. 2) I meant they are not considered kosher as in unfit. Of course, it is forbidden to consume those exotic animals. I just meant they are not sacred so we shouldn't even keep them as pets. 3) It is a mitzvah to save a life. And, killing a living thing without a legitimate reason is a great sin. Just so you know... Messianic Judaism is different from Judaism (Orthodox, Conservative, etc) |
| Date | 22:43:51, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Knesset Yeshua | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | Messianic Judaism is different, you are right, we accept that Yeshua Is Messiah of Israel, And we accept his Brit Kodesh (New Testament). We consume Kosher foods in accordance with the covenant of torah, because we are still jewish and as such the chosen people of G-d. 1) You should not judge a person like that brother, I study the Torah, The Nevi'im, The Ketiv'im and the Brit Kodesh with passion, so please, do not classify interprative differences judgementally, it is wrong. Furthermore, to rule over means to have complete authority over, therefore their life is at the mercy of us. Nowhere am I encouraging the people to go out of their way to kill these animals. But I am making it possible for human beings to have animals at their mercy, therfore having complete authority over their lives, therfore ruling over them. If killing animals is regulated, then it is the state and not each human that rules over animals. 2) Torah requires that unclean animals not be eaten, the laws that suggest they should not be kept are completely talmudic and as such we are not bound by them divinley. These are based on the teachings of different rabbi's and as such the Jewish people are not bound to them, only those that choose to be, and they do not have to keep exotic animals. The torah does not unauthorize it, the talmud does, as was written by the perushim, and does not bind us as a whole. 3) It is mitzvah to save life, I agree. But animals where ultimately given to man by God as a food source and as such are soul-less. There life as such ends there and are not damned to sheol or anywhere else for that matter. Torah does not forbid killing animals, infact the Nevi'im promotes it. Solomon killed twenty-two thousand cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats in a single sacrifial session, Adonai did not seem to mind then? |
| Date | 23:04:59, May 27, 2009 CET | From | Medinat Israel Shelanu | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | If you happen to know my party's ideology, we are secular. Just like the State of Israel is governed. Although we respect the religious Jews, we believe that state and the religion should be separated especially when it comes to politics. I see that you are trying to govern everything according to the Torah... I'm not ok with us having a king. In fact, the modern State of Israel survives well without a king. In the ancient times, Kingdoms (Under a king) were constantly under threats from others. And just so you know... Jews don't think Messianic Jews are Jews. Yes, Jesus was a great teacher but he is definitely not the messiah. |
| Date | 01:30:10, May 28, 2009 CET | From | Medinat Israel Shelanu | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | Sorry but I'm going to have to say no on this one |
| Date | 23:10:24, May 28, 2009 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Developmental Effectivness Bill |
| Message | We will vote no, but would like to see the bill split into 2 separate bills. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 48 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 129 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 23 |
| Random fact: Hundreds of vessels were lost while traversing the cold waters of the Sea of Lost Souls. It is located between Seleya and Majatra. |
| Random quote: "By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens." - John Maynard Keynes |