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Bill: Farm Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Secular Humanists League
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2128
Description[?]:
| Without farmers we do not eat. We need farmers. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: The government denies subsidy assistance to farmers.
Current: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Proposed: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:05:44, October 19, 2005 CET | From |  Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | We have farmers *Sigh* |
| Date | 02:24:17, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | CP, you're wrong. Milrata, and two other provinces whos names I forget have farms in dustbowls. They will starve if the rain doesn't come. The other provinces aren't much better off. Currently, we have some farmers, but if they face starvation then they do not have enough to sell, thus capitalism isn't working too well for them, is it? Next question is do we want to import all our food from outside the nation? That compromises us severely. I do suggest you click on all the provinces, and put youse over the 'i' buttons on all the categories. You'll see what the people need and how we as a nation stack up... Sometimes it's not very pretty. We need to climb down out of our ivory towers on some issues. This is one of them. |
| Date | 06:19:36, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | This proposal will have a negative effect on the agricultural economy, budget and farmers. |
| Date | 07:02:30, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | We have discussed the evils of agricultural subsidies many times in the past. Our view has not changed. |
| Date | 13:51:00, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | A negative effect on farmers?? They are at the point of starving currently, can you in your wisdom explain what could make that worse? |
| Date | 13:51:51, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | Yes, it's far less evil to permit them to starve in a dustbowl than help them out. That's sound reasoning. |
| Date | 18:13:47, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | Firstly, if you *must* help these people, teach them to do something useful, don't fund them to keep farming in a dustbowl. While you are busy funding a few inept rich world farmers, don't forget that agricultural subsidies are one of the main ways that the first world keeps the third world poor. Highly competitive poor-world farmers who need the money way more than our uncompetitive rich-world farmers can create food a fraction of the price that our dust farmers can, but cannot compete against tariffs, artificial rich-world price reductions and dumping. Of course, these poor people are not voters in your constituencies, so why care about them, eh? But don't just take my 'sound reasoning' for it, why don't you ask Canada's Department of Agriculture, The Economist, The Environmental Literacy Council, The Global Policy Forum, The Guardian, The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, The International Food Policy Research Institute, The International Monetary Fund, Oxfam or The World Bank what they think? Maybe you are the sort of person that thinks none of these organisations are credible? Then perhaps you'll be convinced by the fact that even George Bush gets what a bad idea agricultural subsidies are. |
| Date | 18:52:24, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | Granting subsidies to farmers will make the agricultural sector less competitive. Which means lower quality and higher prices. Consumers will be asking for better products with lower prices. Imports will rise and there you are........you have to protect our farmers again with import tariffs and granting even more subsidies. Of course you need to raise taxes as well. In the end farmers will go bankcrupt. That's the story in short. |
| Date | 23:12:51, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Secular Humanists League | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | The Story deviates from reality. Germany and the US both have farm subsidies and neither industry is very close to going broke....... Germany will probably have EU make them stop, but that's not the same as going broke.. The US has farm subsities since... a while, and I'm quite sure they're still harvesting wheat in Kansas and it is of high enough quality that the US doesn't import more from 'better sources'.... What you say is theory and it's not law. In the case of the US it's hard to dismiss that since the US produces a whole lotta food... And if the local governments agree with you then I'd guess that this bill won't do anything.... LP: If you care more for the other farmers, then perhaps have them vote you your seats. Currently we are REPRESENTATIVES, thus we reprent those who thought it best to vote for me...... I do not represent people from overseas, I do not care for the opinions of the IMF or so many others since they are as interested in social engineering as anything, and I don't care what Bush has to say for obvious reasons..... Also LP you want me to teach them to do something else? Then stop voting against education.... you talk out of both sides of your mouth... |
| Date | 04:37:54, October 21, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Farm Bill |
| Message | We have never voted against education. Indeed, despite being a small government, capitalist party we are in full favour of government *spending* on education, we simply view that the education will be more competent as long as the government doesn't get involved in the operation of it. You can hardly complain about IMF 'social engineering' when you are an economically leftist party. Wealth redistribution *is* social engineering. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 295 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 260 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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