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Bill: Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Nationalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2791
Description[?]:
| We in the RNP put this bill before Parliament for debate and review to try to establish a cross party agreement for the betterment of the Lodamun. Name Change: on Passage of this bill the nation will be renamed 'Lodamese Union'. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: "Lodamun" From the peaks Kalistani to the Lindar wide As the sun rises brightly Lodamese hearts fill with pride Five nations together united not by war or cohersion but choice May our men ne'er again stand divided - no! As we loudly cry with one voice; LO-DA-MUN! From those lofty Kregon heights To the Rapulan Forest below Lay honored dead who fought with might Scarred enemies know: LO-DA-MUN! Strengthened by adversity Forged in the flame In all our diversity together we proclaim LO-DA-MUN! God Save the Republic!
Current:
| O, Lodamun Rejoice, brothers and sisters Children of our glorious land May we restrain our resistors Their resistance we disband No foe I fear, no friend I force We propagate wholeheartedly No single feeling of Remorse affects our fraternity All the weapons of this earth Could not temper our pride Lodamun, for what it's worth Your sacred grounds we abide O, Republic that is ours Our lives are in your hands We shall maintain with all our powers Your glory, with proud stance. |
Proposed:
| "Lodamun" From the peaks Kalistani to the Lindar wide As the sun rises brightly Lodamese hearts fill with pride Five nations together united not by war or cohersion but choice May our men ne'er again stand divided - no! As we loudly cry with one voice; LO-DA-MUN! From those lofty Kregon heights To the Rapulan Forest below Lay honored dead who fought with might Scarred enemies know: LO-DA-MUN! Strengthened by adversity Forged in the flame In all our diversity together we proclaim LO-DA-MUN! God Save the Union! |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister and First Commander of the Armed Forces
Current: Vice-President of the Commonwealth
Proposed: Prime Minister
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
Current: President of the Commonwealth
Proposed: Divine Majesty
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: God Save the Republics
Current: No Foe I Fear, No Friend I Force
Proposed: Liberty, Democracy and Justice
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: Republic
Current: State
Proposed: Nation
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:39:44, June 23, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Debate |
| Date | 22:47:38, June 23, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | We do not support any of the presented proposals including the name change. We prefer the current system in place. After all, the current system is a critical part of our democracy. |
| Date | 22:52:29, June 23, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | We didnt expect you to, however we are hopeful that the other parties will do and after the elections we will be able to put this bill through. |
| Date | 23:19:24, June 23, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | The HoS title is too long. It could be Royal Highness, Defender of the Faith, or HRH but all three is a little much. Defender of the Faith is perhaps the worst choice since Lodamun doesn't have an official religion that I know of (but the current state of laws is so confused and rigged by the LP that we may). I'm not thrilled with proposed changes in the motto, national name, or regional names either. Perhaps more generic changes could occur such as renaming Lodamun the Lodamese Union... or something better. The current motto is pretty bad so I'd like something totally different not just a change of the current one. I'd prefer to keep the regions as republics and changing the name to kingdom doesn't make sense in my opinion unless you suggest each region would be run by a hereditary ruler which I don't think I would agree to. I'm open to other options, but I just think republic sounds good. |
| Date | 23:27:16, June 23, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | We are trying to make it so most parties will be happy. How about HRM (His/Her Royal Majesty) Defender of the FAITHS? I dont really like the motto but its there for debate, We could agree to the Lodamese Union or Union of Lodamun. I dont like Republics, maybe Province? |
| Date | 23:42:25, June 23, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | I prefer Lodamese Union since it just sounds better, but it could confuse outsiders. Nonetheless I still like Lodamese Union better. HRM Defender of the Faiths is still too much maybe Divine Majesty. I feel using a word like Divine says more in less words. If you don't like calling regions Republics, I suggest nations. This fits in with the history of Lodamun (although the wiki page was edited by morons who may have changed it) -see the national anthem "Five nations together united." |
| Date | 23:50:26, June 23, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Lodamese Union or Union of Lodamon I am good with. Divine Majesty is possible. Nations would go better in that case. |
| Date | 23:52:47, June 23, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Please, keep planning without us. We are going to get lunch. After all, we are sure you are not going to need our votes or are you? |
| Date | 00:04:03, June 24, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | We would know if you allowed us to have elections. OOC: I am sucking on a long juicy........... twister hahaha who needs lunch :p |
| Date | 02:30:03, June 24, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | All the parties including the Liberals were invited to debate this proposal, so I don't know why the LP is complaining about being left out of the process. It can jump in at any time to offer constructive criticism or legitimate complaints as the URP has, but I think it's pretty obvious the LP will vote against any constitutional change since it has rigged the current constitution to benefit its own entrenched power structure. |
| Date | 12:15:34, June 24, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Cant argue with the common sense argument put forward by the URP, the LP are welcome to put in any input. The LP has already established that they dont intend to support this in any way though. |
| Date | 13:18:52, June 24, 2009 CET | From | Church of Divine Rengheed | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | I beleive the most important question is who will the monarch be? |
| Date | 13:24:37, June 24, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Could have parties put forward profiles of possible candidates and hold a vote on it. |
| Date | 23:55:44, June 24, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Whoever is President at the time would become the monarch which is why this bill won't be put forward until the proper time. I would suggest a URP or CDR monarch, but obviously not an LP one. I'll just say that I'd prefer if the CDR's candidate would not also be the leader of its religious sect. |
| Date | 23:55:47, June 24, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | When did we complained about anything? We simply stated that you could continue without us since we were going out for lunch. Clearly, the URP and the RNP seem to take every last of our word to the extreme. |
| Date | 00:01:26, June 25, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Your statement of 'keep planning without us' was clearly an sarcastic remark against our parties. |
| Date | 00:18:35, June 25, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | This is not the first time the RNP has pretended to know more about our own words than ourselves. It's impressive. |
| Date | 01:44:48, June 25, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Your sarcasm is as pathetic and tired as your failed policies. I suggest the RNP ignore LP's continued bullshit since it is yet another undemocratic method he uses to derail meaningful debate and position himself as the victim (rather than the douchebag he is) |
| Date | 02:21:27, June 25, 2009 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: Speak in character, please. |
| Date | 02:59:08, June 25, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | ooc: I am speaking in character. your characters are douchebags just like you. |
| Date | 14:09:21, June 25, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Is the URP okay with the current articles? |
| Date | 17:08:58, June 25, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Still not a huge fan of the motto, but otherwise it looks good. |
| Date | 18:04:02, June 25, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Any suggestions for a new motto? |
| Date | 21:48:16, June 25, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | One word amendment put on the National Anthem. |
| Date | 03:16:35, June 26, 2009 CET | From | Church of Divine Rengheed | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | Why don't we have three word motto. For example, "Liberty, Monarch, Religion." Or something like that... |
| Date | 05:23:47, June 26, 2009 CET | From | Kébé Front | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: I've operated quite a few monarchies in my time in Particracy, and I've got a little advice for you. Include the name of the monarch in the title itself, and change the law after an election has occured and the winning candidate is called '.' That way you don't need to be hassled so much when a new monarch succeeds the previous one. This is a purely technical factor to make the life of everyone easier if you intend to establish a monarchy. |
| Date | 12:04:10, June 26, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: hmmm that is a very interesting point and worth considering. IC: Maybe "Liberty, Monarchy, Faith" would go better. |
| Date | 04:33:19, June 28, 2009 CET | From | Church of Divine Rengheed | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | "Liberty, Monarchy, Faith" sounds good. The CDR, if allowed, will take the position of monarch. However, due to the nature of our party and faith, the monarch (if CDR) would be the leader. |
| Date | 05:56:59, June 28, 2009 CET | From | Kébé Front | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: These are just a few suggestions in case this goes through. I can't really suggest them in-game since my party is currently opposed to the establishment of a monarch. Country: Royal Lodamese Union, United Kingdoms of Lodamun Region: Kingdom, Principality, Dukedom, etc HoS: If Emperor- His Imperial Majesty, __________, (All Other Titles) If King- His Royal Majesty, __________, (All Other Titles) If Grand Prince- His Grace, ________, Grand Prince of Lodamun, (All Other Titles) There are countless other official titles you can come up with, and so long as you can accurately reason through them all, more is better. If you add in a good batch it'll make your monarch seem a lot more legitimate, not to mention open countless roleplay opportunities over the acquisition of said titles. Motto: Three words is usually used in real nations, particularly in monarchies. However, don't forget that this isn't the real world, so if you have a stroke of brilliance outside the norm, don't hesitate. There are way too many combinations to make a list of all the good ones, but try to have your final motto make sense. Including faith when the nation is so immensely diverse in religions doesn't go over very well. However, since freedom is one of the biggest issues in the nation, including that would be smart. HoG: Prime Minister is a pretty generic title for the HoG. If you can think of something better that makes sense, go for it, however, Prime Minister will do just as well as anything. Anthem: Changing from a Presidential Dictatorship that's been around for nearly a century to a monarchy with no former roots in the nation is a major change. Citizens would wish to disassociate the new government from the old, and would wish to change the anthem to something completely new. Changing a single word in the current anthem wouldn't make a great deal of sense. Compose something new and original, that exemplifies the changes in the nation. But like the motto, have it make sense. If you must mention religion, go with faiths instead of faith. That's all folks. :p |
| Date | 13:21:29, June 28, 2009 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | An interesting input there, some ideas that I like. What are the thoughts of the others? |
| Date | 21:52:32, June 28, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | For motto I suggest "One Destiny." I agree that including Faith is inappropriate as I have also indicated my unease in a CDR monarch who also serves as head of a particularly small faith. The URP will not support a CDR monarch who promotes a faith maybe 1% of Lodamese follow. The monarch should represent the entire nation. As for changing the anthem (aside from removing Republic), I 99% oppose. I wrote this anthem by improving upon the last one 'Lodamun's Joys" and added new verses to reflect the war with Likatonia and the importance of continued unity. I'm open to a new anthem, but I feel the current completely original song complete with geographic, historical, and thematic significance should only be tossed aside if an equally stirring theme could be written (a hard bar to reach since 90% of Terra's themes totally suck) As for the suggestion of Royal Lodamese Union, I consider the word Royal to be extraneous. |
| Date | 01:12:17, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Church of Divine Rengheed | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: Is there a tune to the current anthem. Just curious. |
| Date | 03:29:36, July 04, 2009 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform and Monarch Establishment Act |
| Message | OOC: I based it on a fight song I heard in Syracuse. Here's a site I found where you can listen to it. http://www.fightmusic.com/mp3/bigeast/Syracuse__Down_The_Field.mp3 |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 77 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 57 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 66 |
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