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Bill: Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2129
Description[?]:
| 1) Gives private companies the opportunity to handle garbage and waste disposal. Garbage disposal is not a buisness government should be running. Let the private sector handle garbage disposal. 2)The government funds recycling for public facilities only. It encourages all other industries and commercial buisnesses to follow the recycling guidlines, but the funding of, and enforcing of recycling for both public and private sectors is a burden for the government and infringes on industry's rights to function as it should in a democracy. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-sponsored recycling programs.
Old value:: The government funds recycling facilities and enforces mandatory recycling for residents, commercial enterprise, and industry.
Current: The government funds recycling facilities and enforces mandatory recycling for residents, commercial enterprise, and industry.
Proposed: The government funds recycling facilities for public use.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Waste disposal responsibility.
Old value:: The government is responsible for waste disposal.
Current: The government is responsible for waste disposal.
Proposed: Waste disposal is left entirely to the private sector but is regulated.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:37:02, October 20, 2005 CET | From |   Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Garbage disposal needs no government regulations. |
| Date | 22:06:41, October 20, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Actually waste disposal does need regulations, having none would be tantamount to stupidity. Under current laws, all waste would be taken by Government waste contractors and taken to designated disposal sites, where it can be disposed of safely and as cleanly as possible. What your proposal does is allow private companies to charge to take away waste, then dump it anywhere they please...nice. So instead of clean streets we have dump sites in every alley way. Instead of set times and places for waste to be collected and dumped, we have individual contractors fighting each other for business, cutting corners in safety. Why leave your rubbish out for collection on a Thursday and have it taken to a designated disposal site when Fred next door can dump it today in the local stream for half the cost? This bill is foolhardy and blatantly disregards any attempt of safety in the removal of waste. We vote no. |
| Date | 23:23:35, October 20, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | ^ Same as above ^ |
| Date | 23:56:20, October 20, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | If a private company did as you say they will do, they wouldn't last long in the waste industry. They are looking to makea profit, and the only way to make a profit is to do a better job than everyone else. Why do you believe that private companies are incapable of providing decent service unless the brilliant minds in government regulate them? What is so special about government regulations that makes you believe that "instead of clean streets we have dump sites in every alley way" That's ridiculous to believe that will happen. If comapnies cut corners in safety then they would lose contracts and lose their buisness. When profit is at stake, self-regulation is better than your typical government regulations that are provide no real substance. |
| Date | 00:10:50, October 21, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | And there is the big flaw in your argument. A private company is out to make a profit, but they don't have to do a better job than anyone else, they just have to be cheaper than their nearest rival. Now, if we place that into the bigger picture, Company A uses a safe, clean means of disposing of waste, but costs are 8000HCRs. Company B dumps waste wherever it finds space (generally in green field sites), and cuts safety regulations in order to maximise profits, costs are 1000HCRs. Company A offers it's services to the consumer at 8010HCRs, making 10HCRs profit per load. Company B offers their services at 1500HCRs, making 500HCRs profit per load. People will drift toward whichever company provides the cheapest service. What's out of sight is out of mind for most people, so Company A either reduces costs or goes out of business. The only way they can compete is by reducing costs. As soon as this happens, regulations go out the window as they have to make a profit in order to survive, that's the primary law of the free market. Now, the Government on the otherhand provides a clean and relatively cheap service to all people and as they aren't concerned with cutting corners in safety or guaranteeing that they make a profit it means that they provide a high quality service. |
| Date | 03:27:18, October 21, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Added regulations, and took away extreme government interference to balance it out.... |
| Date | 14:18:53, October 21, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | And then you took away the rules making industry recycle their waste, what a great idea. Now rather than as much being recycled as possible, they can just dump that waste. Brilliant, what an improvement... |
| Date | 15:01:42, October 21, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Again, you think the government is the only method to accomplish anything. I am sure industry can handle the job own their own without being forced by this government. You really think that they will dump waste in a river? Thats absurd. They can fund their own recycling, because they are big boy's now and they no longer need daddy govrenment to hold their hand and wipe their noses. Government resricts it doesn't make the world go around.. |
| Date | 18:06:38, October 21, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Given the choice between spending extra money to recycle waste or not to what do you think a company would choose? "They can fund their own recycling" - The proposal still means the government funds recycling |
| Date | 19:01:49, October 21, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Waste Disposal and Recycling Act of 2128 (Revised) |
| Message | Ok, now if you read the proposals that you have put forward. The current law is "The government funds recycling facilities and enforces mandatory recycling for residents, commercial enterprise, and industry." now what you wnat it changed to is: "The government funds recycling facilities for public use." Now, the Government is still funding recycling centres, but rather than industry being told to recycle their waste (or at least as much as is possible) they are now told "do what you want with it. Dump it, recycle it, we don't care". They *can* fund their own recycling, but why would they if they aren't told they have to recycle? Which is the cheaper option, dump their waste or recycle it...? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 169 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 231 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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